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Hello fellow Unforgiven..

As we may be waiting a tad longer for the new supplement, I thought we could have a good old speculation of what’s to come!

myself after reading the BA supplement am hoping the DA also get a few new official successor chapters, Some expanded lore on the current Ultima founding chapters (how they operate the wings etc) and hopefully something more about the whole Luther escape and fallen legion situation in imperium nihilis...

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We badly need Successors to be looked at. I'd like to see Angels of Absolution (being the only sucessor to not conisder themselves guilty due to the Fallen) and the Consecrators (running around with relic gear) explored in rules, and the Ultima Founding chapters explored in detail. Especially as to how the Ultima Successors integrated with the Unforgiven as a whole.

 

I doubt the Supplement will change too much such as weapon options and the like. Mostly just our named characters, maybe update who gets Inner Circle and who does not etc.


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I really hope we get weapons from the dark age back
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I hope we see some chapters like the Star Phantoms folded in, maybe some that are successors, but don't follow the standard DA chapter structure now that it is an option.


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Some more stuff (Lore) with sucessors would be really nice, indeed.
Also I hope they don't remove too many choices available to regular SM just because.
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I hope they find a way for greenwing to not be marine -1...

 

All other supplement have arround 15 stratagem, if we get 5 stratagem for Deathwing, 5 for Ravenwing and 5 for greenwing, the greenwing will have a hard time vs other marine. I have no answer how they can represent the Unforgiving in 9ed where most special rules are translate to stratagem without giving us more than 15 stratagem.

 

Dark angel are like 3 army in 1, i realy hope they find a way to make all option viable, not overpower/underpower but it will need more option than other supplement.

 

8 Warlord trait: 2 for Deathwing, 2 for Ravenwing and 4 for greenwing, 

20 stratagen: 5 for Deathwing, 5 for Ravenwing and 10 general use (like intractable and WFTDA)

Bodyguard rule for Blacknight

bigger outrider squad or combine outrider/ATV squad for ravenwing

Deathwing rules for Dreadnought/Repulsor/Land Raider.

No fallen rules/stratagem outside of crusade PLEASE

 

Change/remove our super doctrine: extra range is not realy good with the smaller board, something special with the 3 wing will be realy great or no super doctrine but built in rules for the 3 wing. If Inner circle stay the same, Deathwing will be great, Ravenwing will launch faster and deadly assault (WHC article), they need to give something to the Greenwing.

 

Please GW, just make our codex great but not overpower and nerf it within 1 month or release.


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I really hope we get weapons from the dark age back

 

If I were a gambling man I'd bet that either we no longer have it, or it will exist but will be changed and/or watered down?

 

I hope I'm wrong.


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I hope we see some chapters like the Star Phantoms folded in, maybe some that are successors, but don't follow the standard DA chapter structure now that it is an option.

That would be cool!! Would be great to see them finally rolled in.

I agree or maybe a chapter that use a different wing, Dreadwing or Ironwing would be cool, my successor only have the Deathwing equivalent in my lore because of their temperament but I’d love to see it explored officially

Edited by BladeOfVengeance, 08 December 2020 - 10:10 AM.


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We badly need Successors to be looked at. I'd like to see Angels of Absolution (being the only sucessor to not conisder themselves guilty due to the Fallen) and the Consecrators (running around with relic gear) explored in rules, and the Ultima Founding chapters explored in detail. Especially as to how the Ultima Successors integrated with the Unforgiven as a whole.


Definitely now they’ve been brought into the inner circle it would be interesting to see if they’ve adopted the interrogator chaplaincy or how they maintain the wings,

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I really hope we get weapons from the dark age back


If I were a gambling man I'd bet that either we no longer have it, or it will exist but will be changed and/or watered down?

I hope I'm wrong.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say weapons from the dark age will be black knights only. I'd say Hellblasters but their weapons aren't exactly from the dark age I guess??
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Well, considering the incremental attention given to successors in the last two editions, I'd say it bodes well for the inheritors of the Lion to get some good stuff.

 

I'm thinking we might get the Flesh Tearers treatment to at least one of out successor chapters. And, in using the successor rules as they are right now in 9th edition, playing one does not necessarily mean going with "Dark Angels in a different color scheme" thing as default.


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- Battle cry of the Wings of Dawn, a Dark Angel's Successor Chapter

 

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You can read the developing narrative of the Wings of Dawn, as played out in this currently

ongoing Urban Conquest Crusade campaign: "The Conquest of Exelia Tertius".

 


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Not a rule, but I would like them to show paint schemes for Ravenwing and Deathwing for known successors. Get that done and over with.

 

Also, if they're bringing back chapters that were extinct like the Soul Drinkers, could be cool to see a reconstituted Lions Sable.


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Not a rule, but I would like them to show paint schemes for Ravenwing and Deathwing for known successors. Get that done and over with.

Also, if they're bringing back chapters that were extinct like the Soul Drinkers, could be cool to see a reconstituted Lions Sable.

I’m 99% sure that the wings of successors just have the same colour armour as the rest of their chapter, the codex’s and campaign books have always shown it that way though

Lions sable would be great weren’t they lost in the 5th black crusade? The persecutors of darkness would be great to see back also and the Knights of the crimson order

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Not a rule, but I would like them to show paint schemes for Ravenwing and Deathwing for known successors. Get that done and over with.

Also, if they're bringing back chapters that were extinct like the Soul Drinkers, could be cool to see a reconstituted Lions Sable.


I’m 99% sure that the wings of successors just have the same colour armour as the rest of their chapter, the codex’s and campaign books have always shown it that way though

Great would be great weren’t they lost in the 5th black crusade? The persecutors of darkness would be great to see back also and the Knights of the crimson order

 

Its how I do it with my custom successors. DW and RW just use the same color as the whole rest of the army.


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You can read the developing narrative of the Wings of Dawn, as played out in this currently

ongoing Urban Conquest Crusade campaign: "The Conquest of Exelia Tertius".

 


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Some of them like the Consecrators paint the Deathwing helmets bone, so not always the same.

 

But even just showing it as so would settle it and be valuable I think.


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Solarisqc- I know some didn't like the way greenwing played in 7th, but perhaps bringing back the legendary standards could be a way to make green wing stand out, and at the same time, not be OP. (I was a big big fan of the banner of devastation)

Also, IF we get WotDA back. That would be enough to make green mean. Assault hellblasters dumping out 3 damage 3 shots a models? Drop pod plasma devs popping the stand still strat to hit on 2s? What's not to love?

Personally. I would like to see our special characters get re-reworked. Azzys aura only affecting shooting (and not for vehicles either) Sammael lost Sable Claw (which I kinda get) but now he's so boring. Asmodai losing his +1 A aura? Ezekiel gaining the aura, but in an odd unuseable way that doesn't stack with shock assault? (And why do basic primaris psykers has more attacks than zeke?) I am excited to see our new interromancy powers, usually fun fluffy stuff there. (I actually like belial as is.)

But aside from that, I'm happy with what we have now. Good ravenwing, TONS of Greenwing toys. And FINALLY payable Deathwing that actually feel like terminators! Very excited.

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I really hope we get weapons from the dark age back


If I were a gambling man I'd bet that either we no longer have it, or it will exist but will be changed and/or watered down?

I hope I'm wrong.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say weapons from the dark age will be black knights only. I'd say Hellblasters but their weapons aren't exactly from the dark age I guess??

 

 

If we still have it, I'd say it's a Strat that lets us overcharge with no risk. But the days of 3 damage hell blasters I think are gone from our arsenal.

 

Again, I hope I'm wrong.


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I really hope we get weapons from the dark age back


If I were a gambling man I'd bet that either we no longer have it, or it will exist but will be changed and/or watered down?

I hope I'm wrong.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say weapons from the dark age will be black knights only. I'd say Hellblasters but their weapons aren't exactly from the dark age I guess??

If we still have it, I'd say it's a Strat that lets us overcharge with no risk. But the days of 3 damage hell blasters I think are gone from our arsenal.

 

Again, I hope I'm wrong.

Honestly, I have no problem if it becomes that. I just don't want to lose it completely.

 

And it's TOTALLY NOT because I used Hellblasters in almost every list :lol: (it totally is)


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Some of them like the Consecrators paint the Deathwing helmets bone, so not always the same.

But even just showing it as so would settle it and be valuable I think.


Oh no I’d still like to see either way, be cool to see more names of their respective wings also

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Solarisqc- I know some didn't like the way greenwing played in 7th, but perhaps bringing back the legendary standards could be a way to make green wing stand out, and at the same time, not be OP. (I was a big big fan of the banner of devastation)

Also, IF we get WotDA back. That would be enough to make green mean. Assault hellblasters dumping out 3 damage 3 shots a models? Drop pod plasma devs popping the stand still strat to hit on 2s? What's not to love?

Personally. I would like to see our special characters get re-reworked. Azzys aura only affecting shooting (and not for vehicles either) Sammael lost Sable Claw (which I kinda get) but now he's so boring. Asmodai losing his +1 A aura? Ezekiel gaining the aura, but in an odd unuseable way that doesn't stack with shock assault? (And why do basic primaris psykers has more attacks than zeke?) I am excited to see our new interromancy powers, usually fun fluffy stuff there. (I actually like belial as is.)

But aside from that, I'm happy with what we have now. Good ravenwing, TONS of Greenwing toys. And FINALLY payable Deathwing that actually feel like terminators! Very excited.

The 3 banner will be a nice bonus if they return.

 

For WOTDA, it will be nice if it return unchanged, or i have 2 other option in my mind, 1cp strat for overcharge with no overheat on a single unit or 1 per battle army wide on hit roll of 6 extra hit for plasma weapon.

 

Back in 2nd Azreal Lion helm was realy nice, it was a bubble of inv. save to everyone inside the bubble from attack outside the bubble friend or foes, but it cancel all ward save(inv) inside the bubble. This was a good combo with the sword of secret, the only S6 power sword, it was realy thematic, Azreal was a duelist that can fight against other warlord without interference from outside the bubble or ward save, only skill matter inside the bubble of the lion helm.

 

I will realy like a rule saying everyone arround the Lion helm got a 4++ save vs range/mortal wound from outside the bubble but no inv. save allow in melee if inside the bubble. A null zone only working in melee, no iron halo save for Azreal but no inv. save for anyone close to him.

 

Deathwing and Ravenwing will be realy great with obj secure, plenty of option for us soon.


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I like what the WHC article previewed us
Being able to give objsec to RW and DW is tasty
And can't wait to give DW and IC to those units i already painted bone white (a LRC, venerabile dread, FW DA contemptor dread) and manu others to discover

My dream would be to have primaris Int-Chaplains (with new cool model), proper RW command squads and a DW lieutenant

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I like what the WHC article previewed us
Being able to give objsec to RW and DW is tasty
And can't wait to give DW and IC to those units i already painted bone white (a LRC, venerabile dread, FW DA contemptor dread) and manu others to discover

My dream would be to have primaris Int-Chaplains (with new cool model), proper RW command squads and a DW lieutenant


DW lieutenant is definitely over due and would be great to see

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I'd love to see a Rubicon'd Azzy! If the Smurfs can get that treatment and the Bangles with Dante, Wolves with Blackmane, we should be up there as well, especially considering the age of the named characters, I remember the Azzy and Ezekiel models being released! 


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Thinking about the Primaris world, there are still a few gaps.

 

Ravenwing is mostly covered, with Outriders, Invaders, and Storm Speeders.

 

Primaris Deathwing Lieutenant is needed.

 

I don’t think that Bladeguard Veterans are a suitable drop-in replacement for Deathwing Terminators, though. They’re not tactically flexible enough. Deathwing Aggressors would be closer, but I don’t see them moving all Gravis Armour into the 1st company since that would include Heavy Intercessors, Eradicators, and more.

 

I’d very much like to see upgrade parts to make robed Primaris models, but I don’t see it happening. Even if they did, if they only supplied one robed body, having that single pose repeated everywhere would stick out.



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I'd love to see a Rubicon'd Azzy! If the Smurfs can get that treatment and the Bangles with Dante, Wolves with Blackmane, we should be up there as well, especially considering the age of the named characters, I remember the Azzy and Ezekiel models being released!

Considering that SW release was without new models, deathwatch release was without new models and Deathwatch too and also GW still have to release 5 announced SM kits (Gravis Captain with heavy bolter, Heavy Intercessors, Eradicators, Storm Speeder, Bladeguard) i doubt we will see new models with the DA supplement but one can still hope


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