Space Marine Chief Apothecary Combat Restoratives

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I had a game yesterday and I was told by opponent that a Chief Apothecary with the Selfless Healer WLT can only res a dead model in a unit if there is at least one model in said unit with full wounds. Is this correct? Since everything happens at the end of the movement phase couldn’t you restore one model to full wounds then res another if you were down to the last model in that unit ? I think opponent was confused with the condition that unit is not at full strength - I can’t find any requirement that one model must be at full wounds.

Edited January 18, 2021 by Black Blow Fly

[Tyriks]

Nothing in the rules for the Stratagem or the Warlord Trait mention anything about this, so I think your opponent is wrong, unless it's from an FAQ I missed.

[Karhedron]

I agree, I can't see anything in the codex that would imply those restrictions.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Thanks guys.

[Indefragable]

I believe the Order of Operations is that you always need to restore missing wounds from a model FIRST, but since the ability lets you use the ability twice, I think that it should work as you describe it. 

[Metzombie]

I believe the Order of Operations is that you always need to restore missing wounds from a model FIRST, but since the ability lets you use the ability twice, I think that it should work as you describe it. 

Nope. You are confusing it with the old rules. If you use the stratagem you just bring back a modell with full wounds. No need to heal anyone beforhand.

[Xenith]

As with many things, if your opponent claims something, take a look at the rules, where you'll see nothing of the sort exists.

 

Your opponent is thnking of the 8th Ed Narthecium special rule, where you healed D3 wounds to a wounded model, or returned one model back to life if the unit had no wounded models. 

 

Regarding the 9th ed rules, there are two rules here:

 

Combat restoratives and Combat Revival. 

 

Combat restoratives do not let you bring a model back from the dead, just to heal wounds on a model that has lost wounds.

 

Combat Revival is a stratagem that lets you return a destroyed model to a unit back at its starting wounds. 

 

So in relation to the thread title, you're both wrong as restoratives dont let you Res anything at all. 

 

Otherwise, bringing a model back has zero to do with wounded models in the unit. You can bring a model back regardless. But it doesnt matter as you can use restoratives on the unit also to heal wounded members. The two are not mutually exclusive.

 

Also note that neither of these have anything to do with the Chief Apoc or Selfless healer trait. The chief apoc is just a model that can use the above rules, same as other APOTHECARY models. 

Edited January 26, 2021 by Xenith

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Luckily it didn’t cost me the game. :)