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I haven't read the book but I like what I have read in the spoilers and am in the camp that it changes little.

 

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In reply to Captain Idaho

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Your opinion is important, and someone posting here probably does care what you think. You should go tell them. Remember that it really hurts to come up with an idea you care about and have no one else care. Go care about something and tell them what you think. Now. Think of what it would have meant to you when you were young.

 

 


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And to top it all off there's always the "in-universe lies" approach to lore you don't like in this novel.


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"The Alpha Legion has- in spirit if not in body- remained much the same since its creation."

"Agents of stealth and misrule they may be, but when the Alpha Legion unleash their martial might, worlds shake at their tread."

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I was really hoping to have read this on Saturday, but delayed delivery kept me from the book.

As ever, it’s interesting to note that the comments here from folk who have read the book are positive, whilst the negative ones seem to be those responding to the bare bones spoilers- it’s a book that people should absolutely give a chance to.

It’s a really good book. The use of Alpharius as first-person narrator works really well- it seems such a natural fir for learning about the character. The scope of the book is more ambitious than others in the series- we get rich snapshots of several parts of the nascent Imperium, and the methods of the Alpha Legion are showcased in suitable fashion. Brooks handles the action scenes well, and Alpharius is charismatic enough while not fully human. By showing us each of his brothers through Alpharius’ eyes, Brooks gives us one of the most convincing sketches of why the Primarchs were created. None of the big ‘reveals’ seem egregious to me, and I savoured the nuggets of lore and tie-ins with other stories.

It’s not flawless- an extra 50 pages would really help the pacing of the story; the end portion seems a little rushed, but I’m glad the opening scenes weren’t trimmed. Alpharius is a smug so-and-so, as I guess anyone born with his gifts would be, and that does get a little waring at times, but it’s *his* book and it would feel wrong for him to get his comeuppance in it’s pages. In the same way that I find myself siding with the effectiveness of the Night Lords’ methods from a humanitarian perspective, the Alpha Legion don’t really fit into 40k- I don’t see why all chapters and legions don’t adopt their tactics more often if not all the time- covert headstrikes just seem more a more effective use of Astartes than meatgrinding them en masse, but once I’m over that hurdle, I’m grand.

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I was really hoping to have read this on Saturday, but delayed delivery kept me from the book.

As ever, it’s interesting to note that the comments here from folk who have read the book are positive, whilst the negative ones seem to be those responding to the bare bones spoilers- it’s a book that people should absolutely give a chance to.

It’s a really good book. The use of Alpharius as first-person narrator works really well- it seems such a natural fir for learning about the character. The scope of the book is more ambitious than others in the series- we get rich snapshots of several parts of the nascent Imperium, and the methods of the Alpha Legion are showcased in suitable fashion. Brooks handles the action scenes well, and Alpharius is charismatic enough while not fully human. By showing us each of his brothers through Alpharius’ eyes, Brooks gives us one of the most convincing sketches of why the Primarchs were created. None of the big ‘reveals’ seem egregious to me, and I savoured the nuggets of lore and tie-ins with other stories.

It’s not flawless- an extra 50 pages would really help the pacing of the story; the end portion seems a little rushed, but I’m glad the opening scenes weren’t trimmed. Alpharius is a smug so-and-so, as I guess anyone born with his gifts would be, and that does get a little waring at times, but it’s *his* book and it would feel wrong for him to get his comeuppance in it’s pages. In the same way that I find myself siding with the effectiveness of the Night Lords’ methods from a humanitarian perspective, the Alpha Legion don’t really fit into 40k- I don’t see why all chapters and legions don’t adopt their tactics more often if not all the time- covert headstrikes just seem more a more effective use of Astartes than meatgrinding them en masse, but once I’m over that hurdle, I’m grand.

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Hubris, the AL tactics being a timesink, Legions being the battering ram in this era that generally can butcher opposition without needing to waste time and effort on the set up...

 

Ironically enough the AL tactics are perfect for post-heresy...after the Imperium has been completely traumatized into being suspicious of anything that resembles their tactics.


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"The Alpha Legion has- in spirit if not in body- remained much the same since its creation."

"Agents of stealth and misrule they may be, but when the Alpha Legion unleash their martial might, worlds shake at their tread."

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Oh, I agree with all of the above- all of 30/40k is totally absurd so suspension of disbelief is essential, but anything that reminds me that there might be a better solution than a headlong charge wielding a chainsword sometimes throws me...

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DarkChaplain I couldn’t agree more!

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Cool. I don't particularly agree with your other points, but at least that's something.

 

 

 

 

My only issue with the reveal is

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I see your point but....

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It even adds to that scene as it further emphasize
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"That was a lie."



I could get used to that quote. msn-wink.gif

 

 

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Oh, I agree with all of the above- all of 30/40k is totally absurd so suspension of disbelief is essential, but anything that reminds me that there might be a better solution than a headlong charge wielding a chainsword sometimes throws me...

30k can afford to be sloppy, wasteful and inefficient, hence some of the absurditites. Plus if you need to send a message and kill anyone that might raise a weapon against your empire, blood crazed butchers do that just as well as the more efficient and time consuming tactics...


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"The Alpha Legion has- in spirit if not in body- remained much the same since its creation."

"Agents of stealth and misrule they may be, but when the Alpha Legion unleash their martial might, worlds shake at their tread."

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So I have not bought or read a single Primarchs novel. They just do not interest me and the series has clearly been a mixed bag.

However, I do really like Mike Brooks writing so am wondering when Alpharius comes out in Std HB whether to get it?

Confess to losing track of all the lore stuff from time-to-time so having read the spoilers I am not sure those reveals would bother me either way.
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So I have not bought or read a single Primarchs novel. They just do not interest me and the series has clearly been a mixed bag.
However, I do really like Mike Brooks writing so am wondering when Alpharius comes out in Std HB whether to get it?
Confess to losing track of all the lore stuff from time-to-time so having read the spoilers I am not sure those reveals would bother me either way.


Yes, do get it.

Some of the books in the series feel less ‘essential’ than others; the Khan one, for example, is great, but we have seen plenty of him elsewhere. Ferrus Manus has it’s fans, but I didn’t feel all I learnt much about him or what made his Legion tick coming away from reading it. Alpharius hits the sweet spot- relatively little explored Primarch coupled with a great story that couldn’t be about anyone else.
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And while you're at it, get Curze and Perturabo as well. Even Corax. All of those add a lot to their respective characters that elevates them.

 

I'll second that the Khan one isn't particularly essential, it's just more of the same from Wraight, without really doing anything notable of its own. It's an easy skip. But stuff like Corax puts a bit of a spin on the Primarch that hasn't really been explored in the mainline series, or Perturabo's where various depictions run together well under a bigger umbrella. And Curze is a fantastic character study, rather than an action book that the weakest of the series basically are.

 

The Primarchs series is at its best when it doesn't simply provide more of what we know, or underlines and explores the core of the characters' personalities and complexes in a new context. It seems like Alpharius does just that.


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Sounds juicy if true.



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Curze was brilliant and probably the best I have read so far. I do need to read more though.
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Sanguinius stood up, stretching his wings to their full extent. He flexed his hands. "I need no blade".
It was as though Sanguinius gleamed with pale light, his face white, eyes becoming blood-red, surrounded by the golden crown of flowing hair. Guilliman had witnessed glimpses of of his brother's wrath before, but had never seen the true Blood Angel unleashed. Sanguinius surged forward on alabaster wings, half a meter from the floor, whiteness streaming from him like flames.

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I’ve loved something about all the Primarchs books, but would say that Alpharius, Angron, Corax, Perterabo and Curze are the definite highlights and give essential insight; it’s interesting that these characters feature heavily in multiple books and shorts in the mainline series, but have been given to different writers here- is this what breathes fresh life into them?

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It is, if that different writer is Haley :')


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Yeah, hadn’t noticed than commonality...

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Anyone that has finished the book have any thoughts on this theory that is on reddit...

 

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i like the idea of exploring the nascent days of the crusade and seeing the primarch fraternity through the protagonist's eyes

on DC's point

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at least until PoD
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I'll get the book one way or another and give my verdict, but I don't like a fundamental change.

Here's a question... if it's first person narrative, who is Alpharius talking to? The whole thing could be misinformation.
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Don't forget that the XXth Legion was tasked with a Ghost Crusade happening separate from the Great Crusade as mentioned in Exterminatus.

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Any reason given for why

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Any reason given for why

[spoilers]the DA were hard to infiltrate? Was it the secret handshakes? [/spoiler]


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Anyone that has finished the book have any thoughts on this theory that is on reddit...

 

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Anyone that has finished the book have any thoughts on this theory that is on reddit...
 

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Not specifically but it does vaguely pertain to

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Sanguinius stood up, stretching his wings to their full extent. He flexed his hands. "I need no blade".
It was as though Sanguinius gleamed with pale light, his face white, eyes becoming blood-red, surrounded by the golden crown of flowing hair. Guilliman had witnessed glimpses of of his brother's wrath before, but had never seen the true Blood Angel unleashed. Sanguinius surged forward on alabaster wings, half a meter from the floor, whiteness streaming from him like flames.




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