TiguriusX Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) Rules interpretation time If you give morkai bolts to an aggressor can he fire his remaining weapons as normal after the morkai bolt replaces the other boltstorm gauntlet? So instead of 3 shots + 3 shots + d6 Morkai bolt + 3 shots + d6? Edited January 26, 2021 by TiguriusX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar69 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I would say so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalSeer Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) The bolt weapon in question I believe is 'boltstorm gauntlets', not 2x boltstorm gauntlet. Which means all six shots counts as one weapon system. Edited January 26, 2021 by CrystalSeer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) Aggressors are armed with 2x Boltstorm Gauntlets so you can I believe do this. Edited January 26, 2021 by Vassakov TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 The bolt weapon in question I believe is 'boltstorm gauntlets', not 2x boltstorm gauntlet. Which means all six shots counts as one weapon system. GW changed it up on us this edition. They have the latter now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I think a better caddy for the Morkai Bolts might be an Eliminator Sergent with Instigator Bolt Carbine. He has BS2+ which minimise the risk of missing and it provides a dual use for the Carbine if you want the Eliminators to be hopping from cover to cover. VIth 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 I am theory crafting an army and looking for a source of reroll wounds I would never have thought of it except an aggressor is my best option I believe GW changed it to 2 separate Bolt storm gauntlets to prevent master crafted aggressors pumping out 6 d2 shots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I've considered using it on a primaris techmarine in some of my vehicle heavy builds. Like Karhedron mentioned BS 2 is pretty big deal. Really depends on if you have a character slot open though. As far as rules go there isn't anything that appears to stop you from using the aggressor pack leader's other gear. I'm not sure how the timing would work as far whether the unit would benefit from the bolt, I assume they wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) I've considered using it on a primaris techmarine in some of my vehicle heavy builds. Like Karhedron mentioned BS 2 is pretty big deal. Really depends on if you have a character slot open though. As far as rules go there isn't anything that appears to stop you from using the aggressor pack leader's other gear. I'm not sure how the timing would work as far whether the unit would benefit from the bolt, I assume they wouldn't. Timing has been ruled as OK when I put it on a LF PL and fired him before all the LF melta guns So roll the morkai bolt first and everyone after benefits To give you guys more context here is the list I am brainstorming with The aggressors would have BS 2 from nearby chaplain and rerolls from a venerable bubble to give me the best source of reroll wounds I don't own any redemptors so I am going to see if 3 venerables with plasma can give me similar performance to 2 redemptor lists ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves) [109 PL, 8CP, 1,998pts] ++ + Configuration [12CP] + **Chapter Selection**: Space Wolves Battle Size [12CP]: 3. 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Wolf Guard [26pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw [3pts], Storm shield [4pts] . Wolf Guard [26pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw [3pts], Storm shield [4pts] . Wolf Guard [26pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw [3pts], Storm shield [4pts] . Wolf Guard [26pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw [3pts], Storm shield [4pts] . Wolf Guard Pack Leader [26pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw [3pts], Storm shield [4pts] + Fast Attack [2 PL, 30pts] + Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts] . Cyberwolf [15pts]: Teeth and claws Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts] . Cyberwolf [15pts]: Teeth and claws + Heavy Support [16 PL, 338pts] + Long Fangs [9 PL, 213pts]: Armorium Cherub [5pts] . Long Fang [33pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Lascannon [15pts] . Long Fang [33pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Lascannon [15pts] . Long Fang [33pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Lascannon [15pts] . Long Fang [33pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Lascannon [15pts] . Long Fang Pack Leader [18pts]: Astartes Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades . . Boltgun and Bolt Pistol: Bolt pistol, Boltgun . Wolf Guard Terminator Pack Leader [2 PL, 58pts]: Cyclone missile launcher [25pts], Lightning Claw, Storm bolter Whirlwind [7 PL, 125pts]: Whirlwind castellan launcher + Dedicated Transport [3 PL, 55pts] + Land Speeder Storm [3 PL, 55pts]: Cerberus launcher, Heavy bolter ++ Total: [109 PL, 8CP, 1,998pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net) Edited January 26, 2021 by TiguriusX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Actually that makes sense. Morkai bolts trigger on the Hit which occurs before you roll to wound. So even if you consider all shooting from a squad to be simultaneous, the effect still kicks in before you start rolling to wound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Yeah that makes sense and I'm sure that is the intention, but I just think it's one of those things that should be spelled out in a FAQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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