Taking down a C'Tan - Phases and the 3 wound rule.

[Xenith]

Hi all, popping over to the Tombs for some advice/clarification, and couldn't find a similar topic:

 

Basically, the C'Tan rule says it can be dealt no more than 3 wounds per phase. On first glance, and last time we played, both my opponent and I assumed this was psychic, shooting, and assault, however a shower thought hit me that there are actually a lot more phases now, namely the charge phase has been separated from the fight phase, so can I:

 

Deal 3W to the C'Tan in the charge phase, through some rule like overwatch, Incursor Mine, Hammer of Wrath etc, then I can hit him again in the fight phase for another 3W?

 

Thanks for any input!

[Mandragola]

Yes. Don't forget the movement phase either, as that's when quite a lot of effects can go off - notably from the C'tan themselves.

 

For necron players it'll often be worth using another unit to soak overatch on a C'tan's behalf, and to watch out for stuff like Mawlocs popping up, to avoid this kind of thing.

[Halandaar]

Hi all, popping over to the Tombs for some advice/clarification, and couldn't find a similar topic:

 

Basically, the C'Tan rule says it can be dealt no more than 3 wounds per phase. On first glance, and last time we played, both my opponent and I assumed this was psychic, shooting, and assault, however a shower thought hit me that there are actually a lot more phases now, namely the charge phase has been separated from the fight phase, so can I:

 

Deal 3W to the C'Tan in the charge phase, through some rule like overwatch, Incursor Mine, Hammer of Wrath etc, then I can hit him again in the fight phase for another 3W?

 

Thanks for any input!

 

Yep!

 

I'm not sure if there's any means of doing wounds to one in Command or Morale, but they are distinct phases so if there is a means of doing it then those would count too.

 

Also stuff like the Drukhari stratagem "Eviscerating Flyby" which lets them do mortal wounds in the movement phase are ideal for this kind of thing.

[Lord Raven 19]

Command phase wounds can be done by things like orbital bombardments, if you can hit them with it, in case you're wondering.

[Tyriks]

I agree with above, you can definitely hurt it in Overwatch and again in close combat.

[Mordas]

Just watch out for Drukhari Hellions, apparently, they have a neat trick in the movement phase, have nice poison weapons to ignore the C'Tan higher toughness and can do reasonable in CC.

[Captain Idaho]

Ooo check out my YouTube video:

 

 

Of course my latest videos are better. Getting there though :)

[xommul]

I guess when playing against opponents and armies you are not used to you need to ask this question . 

 

Do you have rules or strats that allow you to do MW outside shooting or fighting? 

[Plague _Lord]

Typhus and a few DG strats do mws in the command phase. Tbh I think Ctan really need a scarab swarm to babysit them. It's really not that hard to go 3/3/3 in the psychic/shooting/combat phases.

[Seahawk]

Yea there are 7 phases in you could conceivably take wounds:

 

1. Command

2. Movement

3. Psychic

4. Shooting

5. Charge

6. Fight

7. Morale

 

While some don't have any affects, I'd stress the "yet". Never know what shenanigans GW will pull to help instagib these supposedly super tough models.

[Captain Idaho]

I definitely recommend, if using the C'tan, a shield of Scarabs to support them.

[Get Thokt]

Watch out for that Sisters unit which can shoot after deepstriking (Movement Phase). They are able to shoot again in the normal phooting phase too. That's already a potential 6 wounds taken off before the fight phase.

[Prot]

Good catch. I should have mentioned this myself as something to look out for as this very thing actually happened to me in a game last week. 

[Brother Sergeant Tiberius]

Orks have decent access to taking C'tan down.

Good bombers with strat support for movement phase+ flying headbutt.

Smite for psychic

Plenty of dakka with MW chance for shooting.

Ramming speed strat+some buggies do mortals on the charge

Orks in CC, 3 is easy