Closet Skeleton Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Reroll wound of 1 is great, the problem is that when this is your sub-faction bonus. A deniable spell, that you can not even cast-off, and that is going to apply to only a few units that are actually shooting on the targetted ennemy... wow Compare to Bkack Heart sub faction bonus: - Vect - all units reroll 1 hit roll (shooting and CC) - +1 level in power from pain table Drukhari Cabals aren't comparable to TS cults at all. The only comparison for the Cults are the GK Brotherhoods and the Death Guard Plague Companies. For DG the Black Heart bonus compares to Inexorable Advance, then Plague Companies are on top of that and have no comparison with Drukhari stuff. TS are a Chaos Marine subfaction already. Sweetcurse 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 I'm guessing: - Autopass a Psychic test - Re-roll a test (obviously cheaper?) - Gain extra Cabal Point? - Use Points to auto pass an Infernal Master Ability - Recast a power. Things I'm really waiting on: - Rubric/Scarab inherent ability? Is it still -1 AP to incoming damage of 1? - Are we still getting 6" extra cast range? - With Duplicity, can I still violently toss a Helbrute into my opponent's face? Tichinde 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahzek451 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 - Are we still getting 6" extra cast range? The same guy dropping hints that have been correct so far, gave the heavy impression that this is not being replaced or going away. Prot and Skerr 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomWolf Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 I can see the "cancel perils" and "switch spell" effects going from stratagems to cabal powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skerr Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) I also am excited for the legion command traits. Auspex Tactics video today showed a full table of command traits I did not see in the preview. Any chance the Legion Command Trait; Ardent Automata for 20 points is a low rent psy dread upgrade from a hellbrute? Probably not as its not really Automata but wonder what it applies to? Feels like I am missing something obvious here without my book in front of me. Edited August 3, 2021 by Skerr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 I also am excited for the legion command traits. Auspex Tactics video today showed a full table of command traits I did not see in the preview. Any chance the Legion Command Trait; Ardent Automata for 20 points is a low rent psy dread upgrade from a hellbrute? Probably not as its not really Automata but wonder what it applies to? Feels like I am missing something obvious here without my book in front of me. The command trait point upgrades are from munitorum field manual 2021mk2 I think, they've been in the wild for a few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hathor42 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Ardent automata could also be a upgrade for sorcerers in rubric units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedJester1013 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 As much as we need more rubric options, I’d love to see spawn, tzaangors, and vortex beasts get some love. Maybe tied into cult of mutation similar to deathguards harbingers pox walker company. Skerr 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreaterChickenofTzeentch Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Looking good so far. I wonder if Sorcerous Infusion might be a Cabal thing now too: If you cast a 9 or higher, spend a few Cabal points to get a Rubric or Terminator back. Gives them a place to put a lot of the casting-themed Stratagem effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Well, either some rituals cost the same, or there is something bigger than 9, or there is a 1,and I can panthom what can be that minor. 9...autocast? I'd be surprised we'd get an autocast if we have the thing that says "ok you can't deny this" since getting to that point is fairly easy with Command Re-roll and the various boosts to manifest we can get. For 9 points, it'd be a waste and I am sure they want some element of risk involved considering access to the goodies we have to really try to get that power off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) I'm guessing: - Autopass a Psychic test - Re-roll a test (obviously cheaper?) - Gain extra Cabal Point? - Use Points to auto pass an Infernal Master Ability - Recast a power. Things I'm really waiting on: - Rubric/Scarab inherent ability? Is it still -1 AP to incoming damage of 1? - Are we still getting 6" extra cast range? - With Duplicity, can I still violently toss a Helbrute into my opponent's face? I'd love for other rituals to be: -replenish d3 Rubrics or 1 Scarab Occult (6) -move & Summon daemons (3) -attempt to manifest psychic powers after Falling Back or performing Actions (4) -manifest one power previously used this psychic phase (9) Edited August 4, 2021 by Archaeinox Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsSons Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 I'm guessing: - Autopass a Psychic test - Re-roll a test (obviously cheaper?) - Gain extra Cabal Point? - Use Points to auto pass an Infernal Master Ability - Recast a power. Things I'm really waiting on: - Rubric/Scarab inherent ability? Is it still -1 AP to incoming damage of 1? - Are we still getting 6" extra cast range? - With Duplicity, can I still violently toss a Helbrute into my opponent's face? I'd love for other rituals to be: -replenish d3 Rubrics or 1 Scarab Occult (6) -move & Summon daemons (3) -attempt to manifest psychic powers after Falling Back or performing Actions (4) -manifest one power previously used this psychic phase (9) Thats a very good list! Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahzek451 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 I'm guessing: - Autopass a Psychic test - Re-roll a test (obviously cheaper?) - Gain extra Cabal Point? - Use Points to auto pass an Infernal Master Ability - Recast a power. Things I'm really waiting on: - Rubric/Scarab inherent ability? Is it still -1 AP to incoming damage of 1? - Are we still getting 6" extra cast range? - With Duplicity, can I still violently toss a Helbrute into my opponent's face? I'd love for other rituals to be: -replenish d3 Rubrics or 1 Scarab Occult (6) -move & Summon daemons (3) -attempt to manifest psychic powers after Falling Back or performing Actions (4) -manifest one power previously used this psychic phase (9) Thats a very good list! It's...simply too logical, off with that nonsense! Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are Verlo Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) Having the option of exchanging powers would be nice or using another psycher to check for range and LoS Edit: priced right that would present the choice beteeen raw power and tactical flexibikity Edited August 4, 2021 by Are Verlo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) To be honest I don't think we can expect an ability to manifest a power a 2nd time. 18 powers (2x9 instead of the previous 2x6 w/ the conditional Tzeentch one that you could only swap into if you weren't a Daemon Prince) is pretty fething spicy. It is clear that we are encouraged to take lots of sorcerers. I was wondering why we would ever take a basic Sorcerer over an Infernal Master... well, casting TWO of these new powers is a reason. Edited August 4, 2021 by Archaeinox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahzek451 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 The amount of powers should be to not have a need to double up. Just hope they are overall decent. Really hoping to hear about changes to certain previously crappy equipment like the icon of flame. And hoping all is dust gets a change. At the start of 8th, it was a lot more useful, but ever since, damage 1+ weapons have been on the rise, and when rubrics move to 2 wounds, they will become even bigger targets for damage 1+ making it a lot less effective since its inception. Dolchiate Remembrancer and byrd9999 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiñaColada Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Well, the icon of flame being 10 points surely means it's going to have a different effect.. I'm wondering if it's simply +1 additional cabal point for that squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomWolf Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Nope, it has to be something relevant to csm too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahzek451 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Another Grey knight preview. Damn. But then I can't recall, don't they mostly do previews mon-thurs so we can still see something for us today? Or will it be reserved for friday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skerr Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) I could be wrong but i thought i saw a Grey Knight preview sneak in yesterday also. Maybe we will get lucky today and find who on our side got a boost. Soon brothers! Edited August 5, 2021 by Skerr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahzek451 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 I could be wrong but i thought i saw a Grey Knight preview sneak in yesterday also. Maybe we will get lucky today and find who on our side got a boost. Soon brothers! Yeah I just can't quite remember the pattern, there is one. Monday-little bit of both Tues-us-what is new wed-grey knight-what is new today-grey knight-biggest improvements So either they stack biggest improvements together, today. Or, its saved for friday. I just never recall anything being saved for friday. Could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 They've generally been doing the Crusade rules preview on friday, so hopefully there's another TS article today. Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_b Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Ardent automata could also be a upgrade for sorcerers in rubric units. I feel more likely will be the Rubric Marines I’m interested in seeing what I does maybe a move or a fight buff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 We know what two of the Legion Command traits do, but don't forget there are more: Ardent Automata Battle Psyker Dilettante Loyal Thrall Paradigm of Change Protoge Rehati Rites of Coalescence Witch Warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomWolf Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 True, but seeing we are priced at 25 points for a mere extra cast, I don't have my hopes up that these will be any value beyond flavor. 25 point for only a cast is just too much. The battle psyker for example for 10 points would be a great powerup, for a character actually intended for CC. ours are not, and not quipped with high end weapons anyway. if you happen to have a sorcerer/termisor and 10 points to spare you might as well-but its never going to be something you look for. Still waiting for that army-wide rule that effects non-psykers and supposedly meshes really well with daemon engines that was talked about by testers. Unless they meant the rituals, and not every ritual targets a psyker? that's possible I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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