rye0006 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Lightning claws and chainswords give 1 extra attack when used to fight. If you are equipped with dual lightning claws, for example, do you then get 2 extra attacks? So, a vanguard veteran (2 attacks) with dual lightning claws (+2 attacks) that charged (+1 attack) is making 5 attacks? XeonDragon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armarnis Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Yep. Same goes for two chainswords but for loyalist those are difficult to equip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rye0006 Posted July 19, 2021 Author Share Posted July 19, 2021 Awesome, I was playing on Saturday and only giving +1 attack for dual claws. I was cheating myself! Lol XeonDragon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Olden days would have a single extra attack for a pair, but now the weapon rules have shifted so you get an additional attack using then Lightning Claw, with all your attacks using a single melee weapon. So on that basis a Vanguard Veteran has 2 attacks, +1 for Shock Assault and +1 per Lightning Claw as follows their rules for a total of 5 each. It gets silly when you stack it with other bonuses too, such as a Chaplain's Exhortation of Rage for +1 to wound and any reroll to hit. Things like The Standard of Macragge Inviolate that grant an additional attack are similarly power on such a combination. XeonDragon and BLACK BLΠFLY 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XeonDragon Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Awesome, I was playing on Saturday and only giving +1 attack for dual claws. I was cheating myself! Lol Don't feel bad. I once forgot about BOTH bonus attacks - I was super sleep-deprived, had come to the game straight from work (regular FLGGS tournament series). My opponent kept asking me if lightning claws re-rolled hits (turned out he was trying to help me, he knew I had forgotten something about them, but didn't know what it was as he doesn't/never plays space marines), I kept saying no, kept attacking with my dark fury as VGVs with only 11 attacks from the squad of 5 instead of 21! :( Needless to say, I lost the game (but only by 3 points). Morty would have died if not for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 A hard lesson to learn for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XeonDragon Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 A hard lesson to learn for sure. Yep. I now hand-write the additional attacks onto the battlescribe print-out in red pen ;) mel_danes and BLACK BLΠFLY 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 It's easy enough to forget about stuff in this game but losing out on something as a you play is a great way to remember in future! :) Lightning Claws are awesome. They're literally the best melee weapon available to infantry that isn't specialised. Vanguard love them and if you want to whack a weapon on a Sergeant it is definitely the best choice for cost. XeonDragon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Indeed, point for point, Lightning Claws are better than chainswords, even vs chaff units. XeonDragon and BLACK BLΠFLY 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven 19 Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 Yeah, great weapon, really fluffy for my RG too, just wish primaris could take them. Karhedron and BLACK BLΠFLY 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XeonDragon Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Yeah, great weapon, really fluffy for my RG too, just wish primaris could take them. I'm OK with first-born having some advantages over Primaris ;) Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Nicky Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Can a pair of lightning claws be master crafted? I mean can only one of them be it, or because it is a pair, can they both be it? I am thinking of a terminator sergeant with a pair of master crafted lightning claws you see... Lord Raven 19 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven 19 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Can a pair of lightning claws be master crafted? I mean can only one of them be it, or because it is a pair, can they both be it? I am thinking of a terminator sergeant with a pair of master crafted lightning claws you see... RAW, I don't think so, the space wolf frost weapon specifically says it works on both if you have 2, wording which is absent on MC weapon. RAI, I think it would make sense from the standing of speeding up the game, and that fluffwise, twin LCs are made as a pair (the raven's talons, and ebonclaws definitely were), so it would make sense that if you had two, you would get a pair made by the chapter artificers, rather than one. Commander Nicky 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 RAW one of a pair can be master crafted. XeonDragon and Dracos 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) A "Pair" of Lightning Claws can be master-crafted. Lightning Claws x2 can not. Edited July 28, 2021 by Dracos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Nicky Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 So for example: a Terminator sergeant who has 2 x lightning claws (pair) can have them MS, but a vanguard veteran sergeant who choose to have 2x lightning claws, can only get 1 lightning claw MS... It is correct? The (pair) has to be included..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 I'm pretty sure there is no such thing as a "pair" of Lightning Claws anymore. Terminator Assault squads like everyone else can replace X,Y warhead with 2 Lightning Claws. And there is no weapon entry for a pair of Lightning Claws either. This is disappointing but we can still Mastercraft 1 Lightning Claw and benefit from all the attacks bar 1 with the extra damage. White Scars are especially dangerous with Lightning Claws... Lord Raven 19, XeonDragon and BLACK BLΠFLY 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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