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Help for Orks vs Slaanesh 1200 Points

Orks slaanesh Daemons

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DeRome90

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Hi to mi fallow Warbosses

I will have my first game of 9th editon with a colleague of mine next week. I only played orks once in 8th and my colleague never played any 40k, but since he asked me for advice for his army list I got quite scared, because he plans to bring 2 Keepers of Secrets to a 1200 points Beginner game (he plays a pure Slaanesh Daemons list).
While I am not a try hard for winning, I want to give him at leats a bloody nose. Any help is appriciated.

My current list:

++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Orks) [68 PL, 10CP, 1,200pts] ++

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Clan Kultur: Blood Axes

+ No Force Org Slot +
Nob on Smasha Squig [4 PL, -2CP, 65pts]: 4. Brutal but Kunnin, Big Choppa, Headwoppa's Killchoppa, Slugga, Smasha Squig Jaws, Stratagem: Big Boss, Stratagem: Extra Gubbinz

+ HQ +
Warboss [5 PL, 105pts]: Attack Squig, Da Killa Klaw, I've Got A Plan, Ladz!, Kombi-skorcha, Power Klaw, 2x Slugga, Stikkbombs, Warlord

Weirdboy [4 PL, 70pts]: 2. Warpath, 3. Da Jump, Weirdboy Staff

+ Troops +
Beast Snagga Boyz [5 PL, 115pts]
. 8x Beast Snagga Boy: 8x Choppa, 8x Slugga
. Beast Snagga Boy w/ Thump Gun: Thump Gun
. Beast Snagga Nob: Power Snappa, Slugga

Gretchin [2 PL, 50pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

Gretchin [2 PL, 50pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

+ Elites +
Kommandos [8 PL, 125pts]: Bomb Squig, Distraction Grot
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw, Slugga, Stikkbombs
. 8x Kommando: 8x Choppa, 8x Slugga, 8x Stikkbombs
. Kommando w/ Burna: Burna, Stikkbombs

Kommandos [8 PL, 60pts]
. Boss Nob: Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs
. 5x Kommando: 5x Choppa, 5x Slugga, 5x Stikkbombs

Nobz [6 PL, 105pts]: Trukk Boyz
. Boss Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs
. Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs
. Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs
. Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs
. Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs

+ Fast Attack +
Rukkatrukk Squigbuggies [5 PL, 90pts]
. Rukkatrukk Squigbuggy: Heavy Squig Launcha, Saw Blades, Sawn-off Shotgun, Squig Launcha, Squig Mine, Stikkbombs

Squighog Boyz [4 PL, 80pts]: Bomb Squig
. 3x Squighog Boy: 3x Saddlegit Weapons, 3x Squighog Jaws, 3x Stikka

Warbikers [4 PL, 80pts]
. Boss Nob: Big Choppa, 2x Dakkagun
. 2x Warbiker w/ Choppa: 2x Choppa, 4x Dakkagun

+ Heavy Support +
Killa Kans [7 PL, 135pts]
. Killa Kan: Grotzooka, Kan Klaw
. Killa Kan: Kan Klaw, Rokkit Launcha
. Killa Kan: Big Shoota, Kan Klaw

+ Dedicated Transport +
Trukk [4 PL, 70pts]: Big Shoota

++ Total: [68 PL, 10CP, 1,200pts] ++


His aproximated list:

++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Chaos - Daemons) [59 PL, 1,200pts] ++

Chaos Allegiance: Slaanesh

+ HQ +
Contorted Epitome [11 PL, 210pts]: Coiled tentacles, Ravaging claws

Keeper of Secrets [12 PL, 230pts]: Ritual knife, Smite, Snapping claws, Warlord, Witstealer sword

Shalaxi Helbane [13 PL, 240pts]: Living whip, Snapping claws, Soulpiercer

+ Troops +
Daemonettes [4 PL, 95pts]: Daemonic Icon, Instrument of Chaos
. Alluress: Piercing claws
. 9x Daemonette: 9x Piercing claws

Daemonettes [4 PL, 95pts]: Daemonic Icon, Instrument of Chaos
. Alluress: Piercing claws
. 9x Daemonette: 9x Piercing claws

Daemonettes [4 PL, 95pts]: Daemonic Icon, Instrument of Chaos
. Alluress: Piercing claws
. 9x Daemonette: 9x Piercing claws

+ Elites +
Fiends [2 PL, 40pts]
. Fiend: Dissecting claws, Vicious barbed tail

+ Fast Attack +
Seekers [5 PL, 115pts]: Daemonic Icon, Instrument of Chaos
. Heartseeker: Piercing claws
. . Steed of Slaanesh: Lashing tongue
. 4x Seeker: 4x Piercing claws
. . 4x Steed of Slaanesh: 4x Lashing tongue

+ Heavy Support +
Exalted Seeker Chariot [4 PL, 80pts]
. 3x Daemonette Charioteers: 3x Piercing claws
. Exalted Alluress: Lashes of Torment
. Steeds of Slaanesh: Lashing tongues

++ Total: [59 PL, 1,200pts] ++

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Da cunnin' plan:
Play the objective game, maybe outflank with the Killa Kans and missile the Nob on Smasha Squig into a Keeper and hope for the best.

Da reservs:
1 Wierdboy
Wortsnagga
Some more bikers
3 Meganobz
3 unbuilt Killa Kans
1 Deff Dread
1 Morkanaut
Some Runtherds
10 Tankbustas
Around 6 Burnas
10 Lootas
5 Flashgitz
Ghazzy
1 Squiggoth
Different Big Meks
5 Stormboyz

And some other unbuilt stuff


PS: if someone has some ideas on how he can make his list better, please post it as well and I will forward it to him.

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He's all assault and very fast so the trukk boys and kommando rush aren't going to be very useful. So you can just throw the gretchin and trukk up front to control the board with maybe the small kommando squad (keep the big one back to support your other charging units) and ensure you're getting a turn of shooting. Since its his first game his movement phase will be weak so you shouldn't have any trouble getting two turns to soften him up with the bikes, kans and squig buggy before the non-speed bump combats start. Even 10 sluggas will still be taking off the odd daemonette who will still be wounding on 5s.

 

Blood Axes are a bad match up for Slaanesh, otherwise Orks have a massive advantage from being T5 and having a much newer book. if you want to be mean switch to deathskulls, if you just want to tweak it but keep to theme put a burner in those commandos. If you're really worried about monsters just find somewhere to put in the tank busters.


Edited by Closet Skeleton, 30 September 2021 - 07:13 AM.


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Thank you for your fast reply Closet Skeleton.

 

I also hope that his movement phase will be poor and that he won't notice the mission objectives. I wasn't so sure if I should use the Gretchin for speed bumps or grabbing objectives/doing actions.

 

After I saw his list, I also noticed that Blood Axes are a bad match up. As this is just a beginners game and not a crusade or tournament game, I do not see a big problem (except the color scheme) of using another Clan. Blood Axes are cunnin' enough to adapt to any situation msn-wink.gif

 

Unfortunately, I can only take a Burna if there are 10 Kommandos in the unit. The bigger unit already has one. I thought about adding a whole unit of burnas. but they won't survive long enough to make good of their points. Or should I put them onto the Trukk and do some drive by?

 

Are Tank Bustas better then Lootas in this situation? Deffguns have a longer range. Or is the continuous Dmg 3 better?


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Lootas vs Tankbusters are probably pretty similar against monsters.

 

Daemons are a low staying power army, they have to do damage on early turns to win. If they kill your good stuff before turn 3 having grots to stay on objectives is too late.



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I tried to tweak my list a little bit to be more shooty.

Also there are some good news... He will use just one Keeper of Secret. But he might use a Daemon Prince instead.

What about this list?
I plan to Deep Strike the Big Mek to assassinate one of his HQ's.


++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Orks) [71 PL, 10CP, 1,200pts] ++

Clan Kultur: Deathskulls


Nob on Smasha Squig [4 PL, -2CP, 65pts]: 4. Brutal but Kunnin, Big Choppa, Headwoppa's Killchoppa, Slugga, Smasha Squig Jaws, Stratagem: Big Boss, Stratagem: Extra Gubbinz

+ HQ +

Big Mek in Mega Armour [6 PL, 95pts]: Da Ded Shiny Shoota, Inspiring Leader, Kustom Shoota, Power Klaw, Tellyport Blasta, Warlord

Weirdboy [4 PL, 70pts]: 2. Warpath, 3. Da Jump, Weirdboy Staff

+ Troops +

Beast Snagga Boyz [5 PL, 115pts]
. 8x Beast Snagga Boy: 8x Choppa, 8x Slugga
. Beast Snagga Boy w/ Thump Gun: Thump Gun
. Beast Snagga Nob: Power Snappa, Slugga

Gretchin [2 PL, 50pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

Gretchin [2 PL, 50pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

+ Elites +

Kommandos [8 PL, 130pts]: Bomb Squig, Distraction Grot
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw, Slugga, Stikkbombs
. 7x Kommando: 7x Choppa, 7x Slugga, 7x Stikkbombs
. Kommando w/ Burna: Burna, Stikkbombs
. Kommando w/ Kustom Shoota: Kustom Shoota, Stikkbombs

Kommandos [8 PL, 70pts]
. Boss Nob: Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs
. 6x Kommando: 6x Choppa, 6x Slugga, 6x Stikkbombs

Nobz [6 PL, 105pts]: Trukk Boyz
. Boss Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs
. Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs
. Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs
. Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs
. Nob: Big Choppa, Slugga, Stikkbombs

+ Fast Attack +

Rukkatrukk Squigbuggies [5 PL, 90pts]
. Rukkatrukk Squigbuggy: Heavy Squig Launcha, Saw Blades, Sawn-off Shotgun, Squig Launcha, Squig Mine, Stikkbombs

Squighog Boyz [4 PL, 80pts]: Bomb Squig
. 3x Squighog Boy: 3x Saddlegit Weapons, 3x Squighog Jaws, 3x Stikka

Warbikers [4 PL, 80pts]
. Boss Nob: Big Choppa, 2x Dakkagun
. 2x Warbiker w/ Choppa: 2x Choppa, 4x Dakkagun

+ Heavy Support +

Big Gunz [Legends] [1 PL, 28pts]
. Big Gun: Lobba

Lootas [8 PL, 102pts]
. 5x Loota: 5x Deffgun, 5x Stikkbombs
. Spanner: Big Shoota, Stikkbombs

+ Dedicated Transport +

Trukk [4 PL, 70pts]: Big Shoota

++ Total: [71 PL, 10CP, 1,200pts] ++

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