Black Templars FAQ

[Joe]

FAQ has just dropped on WarCom. Some average stuff - and a strategem name change for some reason.

[Charlo]

It's because the mainline codex also has a "Shock and Awe" stratagem for Landspeeder storms.... lol.

 

Otherwise, the obvious no infinite strength stacking is gone.

 

But most importantly....

 

VEHICLES STILL GET MINI-TANSHUMAN AND A 5++ BABY!

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Get ready for it (one-liner):

 

YEA BOI

 

 

 

 

I could see no good reason to take away the 5++ from our vehicles. Reall glad they addressed the old IF issue (answer as predicted).

Edited November 24, 2021 by Black Blow Fly

[Marshal Mattias]

Good, we can put a few things to rest;

 

No imperial fist supplement :lol:

 

And no cheesing Devout Push to retreat into a transport! Otherwise this looks fairly innocuous, no?

 

Forgive me if this another can'o'worms, but does this clarification resolve the light/heavy/obscuring cover issue?

Edited November 24, 2021 by Marshal Mattias

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I’m still confused regarding if cover can affect an enemy shooting at the unit… from a game mechanics POV it simply doesn’t disappear.

[Charlo]

No, it's not to do with line of sight, just the "benefits of cover".

[9x19 Parabellum]

What, in the wording, changed about Abhor the Witch and Accept Any Challenge? (sorry I don't have my codex with me)

[Charlo]

It's added parity between the main rules and the reference section.

[SirJyo]

Nice to see we didn't get any real nerfs here.

Invincible chaplain is still invincible.

 

*Edit* Grimaldus still grants alot of points for character assassination secondaries.

Edited November 24, 2021 by SirJyo

[SkimaskMohawk]

Good, we can put a few things to rest;

 

No imperial fist supplement

 

And no cheesing Devout Push to retreat into a transport! Otherwise this looks fairly innocuous, no?

 

Forgive me if this another can'o'worms, but does this clarification resolve the light/heavy/obscuring cover issue?

 

 

Devout push into transports wasn't really cheese though. It's a 3" move that has certain qualifiers about direction. Compare that to fire and fade, which is more than double the movement and has no directional restriction. And you know, no core restriction. 

[Marshal Mattias]

 

*Snip*

 

Devout push into transports wasn't really cheese though. It's a 3" move that has certain qualifiers about direction. Compare that to fire and fade, which is more than double the movement and has no directional restriction. And you know, no core restriction.

My bad, I should clarify;

It seemed wholly unintentional that it would be used in such a way, as it doesn't really fit the feel of that particular rule. Relative power-level aside, it seemed like a game-y application of the rule that, while technically correct, was clearly not the intention of a Devout Push. I'm not judging people for taking the advantage while they had it, but equally I'm glad it is gone :lol:

Edited November 24, 2021 by Marshal Mattias

[SkimaskMohawk]

I have a hard time arguing theme or feel of rules, especially stratagems. There's nothing thematic about only one rhino popping smoke when a bunch are under fire. Or why only assault intercessors can fight a second time compared to assault marines or normal intercessors. It also seems wholly unintentional that Dark Eldar get to party bus it up when no one else can mix subfactions in transports. But all these things are in the game.  

 

The fluff of push is that they're extra zealous and are motivated to move towards victory. That can mean anything lol. Like they'd think to carefully and precisely body block, or spread out an aura or wrap units in combat. But not get in a car.

[Charlo]

It was absolutely lame and clearly an unintended consequence.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

I dunno, I thought it might have reflected their mechanised background. Thank moves out, lads jump out, unleash hell, jump back in and redeploy.

[Marshal Mattias]

It's specifically a surge towards the enemy or the objective, spurred on by their hate and religious fervour; whataboutism aside, that makes sense, while zealously boarding the bus doesn't so much.

 

It's a special rule selected to fit the unique theme of the army; if it was just about common sense behaviour, then it would be a universal rule.

 

I mean, all this stuff is still personal interpretation to some degree, so you're welcome to see it however you like of course.

[Tokugawa]

Don't feel any surprised when devout push FAQ'ed. But it is much earlier than I expected.

 

There haven't been any player tried this fire-and-fade trick in big events. So it can't be said "broken" or "not broken", but very different from intended design.

[a_typical_hero]

Just glad Uphold has been clarified.

 

I'm mostly affected by the limitations to the Emperor's Champion in regards to Crusade Relics. Shame, as there are some cool builds out there and not all Crusade Relics are armour or weapons.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

But, he can still take traits...

[Medjugorje]

Don't feel any surprised when devout push FAQ'ed. But it is much earlier than I expected.

 

There haven't been any player tried this fire-and-fade trick in big events. So it can't be said "broken" or "not broken", but very different from intended design.

fire and fade ist still a thing. Just not into vehicles but behind walls.