Karhedron Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) Nice to see a few of our units getting discounts in CA. I wonder if the -2 ppm applies to Firstborn DC as well as Primaris? Edited January 20, 2022 by Karhedron Majkhel and USNCenturion 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djangomatic82 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Nice to see a few of our units getting discounts in CA. I wonder if the -2 ppm applies to Firstborn DC as well as Primaris? Its interesting that they label it as just Death Company, so maybe it will hit all of them. But, I'm a little jaded and suspect it will just be for units they want to sell more of, so just primaris and their vehicles will get a points drop. Really hope i'm wrong though. Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Split from BA Today Dont-Be-Haten and Karhedron 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Well that's super exciting primaris DC are getting dropped in points. A squad now costs the same amount as a regular intercessor squad at current value. I like it. A unit of 10 in a repulsor, doesn't feel like such a point sink. Going to be interesting to see what all changes we will be getting. Karhedron and Helias_Tancred 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 I agree, Primaris DC are now the cheaper than Veteran Intercessors, occupy the same slot, have Black Rage and have better stratagem support. I think I might have found a use for my Indomitus Assault Intercessors. Helias_Tancred, USNCenturion and Majkhel 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I agree, Primaris DC are now the cheaper than Veteran Intercessors, occupy the same slot, have Black Rage and have better stratagem support. I think I might have found a use for my Indomitus Assault Intercessors. For sure. It's so many attacks, and they have such a good support system. I was already going to take a unit of 10. So yay! Karhedron and Helias_Tancred 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 They say vehicles are being reduced in cost - hopefully that includes the Baal! That thing needs a 30pt reduction! The Gladiator reaper is 195pts if it's dropped by 15, and that throws out 46 shots per turn compared to the Baal's 18... Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 Hmm, at <200 points, the Reaper might just be worth a look-in. Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 They're still super vulnerable and die to a stiff breeze, though. They could have done with a 2+ save more than a 15pt drop - still worth checking out though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 They're still super vulnerable and die to a stiff breeze, though. They could have done with a 2+ save more than a 15pt drop - still worth checking out though. Same with the repulsor to be honest. I've heard so many stories of putting that big boi on the table, just to take him off after a single round of shooting. Super hopeful they get some TLC cause I kinda have three... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helias_Tancred Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I'd go a flat 40 point drop in most marine tanks, APCs, and other vehicles such as the Stormraven. I'm a firm believer in blunt instruments ;) Majkhel 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dice4thedicegod Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 I’m happy about this! I love the primaris Mephiston model and I converted up some primaris death company, so anything that helps get them on the table is good! I mean, it’s probably not enough to become strong… but it helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 I’m happy about this! I love the primaris Mephiston model and I converted up some primaris death company, so anything that helps get them on the table is good! I mean, it’s probably not enough to become strong… but it helps! It really just depends on what points level you are playing. At 1,000 points DC intercessors are one of the most feared melee unit in the game. Moving up to 2,000 I feel like jump packs are still better. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majkhel Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) Regarding SM vehicles in general, BA Commander has recently made a video comparing Predator Destructor to DG Burst Crawler. Burst Crawler was used as a reference, because it's similarly costed and DG are generally considered "good but balanced". It was merciless... Yeah, I'd honestly go that -40pts across the board route if only points are to be considered. Otherwise SM non-dreadnought vehicles need a MASSIVE revamp.EDIT: Mephy going down 15pts is just as it should be from the start.DC - for the DC Intercessors that might be what they need, although they still have lots of competition in our elite slot. Really interested to see if firstborn will go down as well, which would be sweet! Edited January 23, 2022 by Majkhel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Regarding SM vehicles in general, BA Commander has recently made a video comparing Predator Destructor to DG Burst Crawler. Burst Crawler was used as a reference, because it's similarly costed and DG are generally considered "good but balanced". It was merciless... Yeah, I'd honestly go that -40pts across the board route if only points are to be considered. Otherwise SM non-dreadnought vehicles need a MASSIVE revamp. EDIT: Mephy going down 15pts is just as it should be from the start. DC - for the DC Intercessors that might be what they need, although they still have lots of competition in our elite slot. Really interested to see if firstborn will go down as well, which would be sweet! I saw that video. BA commander's input and group think tier list get too narrow minded sometimes, even from a competitive standpoint, I feel. However; the PBC comparison isn't wrong. BA are a very bloated elite army. Which isn't bad with all the options out there! It's just some people think if you don't have 40 jump packs on the board your :cuss: To be fair though, 40k is in a boot heavy focused meta currently. Karhedron and Majkhel 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djangomatic82 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Pretty nice that the points drop is for both DC infantry. Sprues & Brews came up on my news feed and claim that the S.Ancient is also going down by 15ppm and Dantes gets a 10 ppm cut, but i haven't seen that tidbit shared anywhere else. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 23, 2022 Author Share Posted January 23, 2022 Dante is still mostly just a beat stick. 10 points helps a little but does not give him any new capabilities. The Ancient sees occasioanl use, mostly to carry Wrath of Baal. I think 15 points will definitely make him look more interesting in that role. Djangomatic82 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Sad the repulsor didn't take a dip. Oh well. Maybe down the line it will! Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) Dante is still mostly just a beat stick. 10 points helps a little but does not give him any new capabilities.But you don't have to use any CP to make him into that beatstick. You basically get artificer armor, a -1 to-hit, in addition to his warlord traits and you even get a CP refund for taking him and a free epic deed strat. Sure, we can make a more potent beatstick, but if you wanted to make a very similar beatstick you'd be at a net -2 CP when compared to taking Dante (not including free the epic deed strat). For further comparison, an alternate chapter master (made out of a captain) with a jump pack, relic blade, and inferno pistol is 165 and has -1 wound, -2 attacks, and a 3+ armor save, so if you want the qualities he brings to the table (chapter master, heroic bearing, jump pack, decent counter-charge, 2+ armor save) he really is a steal for what you're getting. Edited January 25, 2022 by Paladin777 Karhedron and Xenith 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dice4thedicegod Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 The thing is, you’d give that alternate chapter master a master crafted relic blade and push him to D 3. 2 damage is Dante’s major shortcoming at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 The thing is, you’d give that alternate chapter master a master crafted relic blade and push him to D 3. 2 damage is Dante’s major shortcoming at the moment. I do agree with that. The Axe Mortalis really should be more than just a Relic Blade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djangomatic82 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 The thing is, you’d give that alternate chapter master a master crafted relic blade and push him to D 3. 2 damage is Dante’s major shortcoming at the moment. I do agree with that. The Axe Mortalis really should be more than just a Relic Blade... Yeah, I agree with that. Maybe any unmodified successful wounds deal 2 mortal wounds instead. Dante would still mulch anything he could wound easily on his own without the +1 to wound, but then start to fall off the tougher the target gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 That seems like a bit much... that would still put him at roughly 8 MW on the charge on turns 1/2 against most non-vehicle targets (Str 7) or 9 on turns 3-5. That would be ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djangomatic82 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) That seems like a bit much... that would still put him at roughly 8 MW on the charge on turns 1/2 against most non-vehicle targets (Str 7) or 9 on turns 3-5. That would be ridiculous. Its not too far from what he's doing already. This is all assuming Assault Doctrine and Shock Assault are active, but no re-rolls. Name / Target / Damage current / Damage MW Dante / T3/Sv5+/ 11.102224 / 11.102224 Dante / T4/Sv3+/ 9.248152592 / 10.71941718 Dante / T4/Sv2+/ 7.394081184 / 10.34993837 Dante / T5/Sv3+/ 9.248152592 / 10.71941718 Dante / T7/Sv3+/ 5.551112 / 8.506969184 Dante / T8/Sv2+/ 4.438224 / 5.911714368 Edited January 27, 2022 by Djangomatic82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) You're forgetting about invul saves. It would make the axe Mortalis better than almost any weapon wielded by any infantry character against most characters in the game. I think either 3D or MW on a 5 or 6+ would be more appropriate. The Axe Mortalis doing mortals would also nearly double his output against 1w models as mortal wounds carry over to other models, which would make it pretty ridiculous and would certainly require a price hike. I'd rather not have that hike... Edited January 27, 2022 by Paladin777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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