Vote: Pay CP tax or Troops tax? Vanguard v Battalion

[juliusb]

I want to build an all Terminator & Bike list but I'm torn on which detachment to use; either Vanguard or Battalion: 

 

Vanguard:

 

+All Terminators & Bikes theme

-Either Bikes or Terminators limited to 2 units depending on detachment

-Only 2 HQs

-Costs 3 CPs

 

Battalion:

+ No CP cost

+ 3 HQs

- Costs 405pts for cheapest 3x Troops (I don't like the Prosecutors)

- Kind of defeats the whole point of making the army

 

So basically it comes down to would you rather pay 3CPs or 405pts?

 

Thanks!

[Jace]

Pay the 3CP I say if whole idea is terminators and bikes.

 

As you say, 405 points for troops is an enormous cost.

 

The extra HQ would also be a non-terminator or bike right as its one of each type and costs the same as 1.5-2 normal guys

[Galthan Ironsturm]

Vanguard detachment too.

 

1 shield-captain on Dawneagle

And Trajann (+1 CP) but he's not on Allarus armor...or, shield-captain on Allarus with brilliant strateg.

[Captain Idaho]

If you're theming your army there's a very good reason to pay the CP tax really. It does depend on playstyle of course, but "normal" Custodes are Terminator equivalent in operation anyway, so I'm not averse to their inclusion.

[GenerationTerrorist]

Why not take a Patrol+Vanguard/Outrider? If you stick Trajan in there, the Vanguard/Outrider Detachment only costs 2CP. Obviousoy, you would have to take a Troops choice, but then you have access to up to 8 Elites or Fast Attack, as well as 4HQ.

[juliusb]

Thanks for the responses! My favorite army was was Deathwing/Ravenwing army back in ~3rd-4th because it was the most 'elite' small model count, easy to transport list and I feel like this is it's natural successor. Not really trying to make it competitive but any help with Shield host selection, Relic etc would be great!

 

Vanguard Detachment 2000pts (updated points from CA 2022)

 

HQ:

Trajan

Captain on Bike + Salvo

 

ELITE:

Allarus Vexilus Praetor

3x Allarus w/ Axe

3x Allarus w/ Axe

3x Allarus w/ Spear

3x Aquilon w/ Firepike (heard not great but love the models)

Culexus Assassin

 

FAST:

4x Vertus Praetors w/ 4x Salvo

4x Vertus Praetors w/ 4x Salvo

 

Only model I'm thinking of changing is Trajan to a Allarus Captain to fit the theme a little better.

[Galthan Ironsturm]

Trajan is auto-inclued!

An Allarus shield-captain Will be less strong.

 

For 1cp, you can put Trajan on teleportarium ;)

 

Some vertus preators with bolter hurricanes are good to strike hords!

 

For shield-host, i think thé Solar Watch or Dread Host are good.

[ValourousHeart]

Theme is everything!  Pay the 3 CP every time.

 

But then again I ran Ravenwing in 8th and never had more than 4 CP.  So I don't look at it as costing me 3 CP to run an Outrider detachment, I look at it as I get a ton more CP than I did in 8th.