ThePenitentOne

You know what I'd like to see? A mixed Imperial force vs. a mixed Chaos force. Maybe an Inquisitor leading a force with some guard, some sisters and some marines vs a Chaos force that includes Marines, Cultists and Daemons. The box would be two armies.... But also six Kill Teams. It'll never happen, but it would kick a whole lotta butt if it did.

If the Land Raider ever does become Grav only, even though I don't really do Space Marines (aside from Deathwatch and Grey Knights), it would send me into an apoplectic rage so profound I would likely quit the game forever and may even film a youtube video of me burning every GW product I've ever purchased as I scream obscenities into the audio to express my displeasure and contempt. I cannot overstate how much I HATE Space Marine grav tanks. The only models that I think are as bad are Desolators and Suppressors. Fortunately, the Space Marine range is so massive that several better looking viable alternatives exist, so the rage has not overcome me yet, and I am content to let those who DO like them continue to enjoy them... But personally, I'd rather play an entire army of Centurions and Nemesis Dreadknights. I wouldn't accept any of those kits even if you offered them to me for free.

Not a cool modelling thing with pictures, but I played my 4th Boarding Action League game last night- my first outing with the new Drukhari dex vs. Necrons. I held a lead right up until the final turn where my oppenent knocked out two units and pulled ahead by 5 VP. Very fun game, great opponent. I'll come back later and put up a more detailed post in the Drukhari forum- and then I'll have to write up the Crusade story in the Crusade Club... but very happy I got to play. My record is now 2/2, and all the games have been fairly casual and fairly close. In other news, I finally managed to get my hands on a Krieg Command squad, so lots of modelling to come. My hobby budget is now exhausted, likely till the new year- the Krieg unit was not my ONLY recent purchase... Just the most recent.

I'm not sure I want to see anything that's currently for sale replaced until the give us back everything they've taken from the Drukhari. Give me Beasts, the Court, Urien and Grotesques, Then we'll talk about replacing things. When that time comes, I'd start with Catachans.

I really like the non-marines; they would have made excellent generic Imperial weirdos. Too bad they're part of a bespoke marine unit instead. Do we think anyone else is going to get a cool campaign edition-ender, or is it just marines and Crons?

Yeah... no offense toBeardlong.com, but it feels like this was probably a pretty shallow survey. Most women that I know are intelligent enough to look for a guy who respects them and makes them laugh; their hobbies tend to not factor into the equation, though shared interests CAN be a bonus, and DO provide opportunities to meet. And if hobbies were a factor, shooting smack, high-stakes gambling, dog fighting, street racing and making amateur porn are WAY more repugnant hobbies than playing with toys. But then, I'm one of the lucky ones. I met my partner at a games convention. Roleplaying games and videogames are their poison these days; we played some of the original Necromunda and they liked that well enough in the day, but after a decade of wall-to-wall videogaming, the table-top strategy instincts have faded. They were also better at Kendo than I was. Nerd women/girls are real and nerd love is powerful love. Next April 15th will be the 30th anniversary of our first date.

It sounds true, but the thing is I won't buy it unless there are Xenos, so their "test" sale excludes people like me. They'll never know how many they would have sold with Xenos unless and until they release Xenos. I think there were a lot of factors that led to the demise of Aeronautica. It had Orks, Eldar and Tau, which was decent... But once LI came out, Aeronautica being "Just aircraft" while LI had knights and Titans and tanks and infantry. If Nids had come to Aeronautica, I'd have bought in. If they ever come to LI I'll buy in. But GW will never know whether or not Nids will increase sales until they release Nids.

If the Kharon Acquisitor ever goes plastic, I'm getting one. I came pretty close to caving in and buying the resin one, 40k rules or not.

A pure Daemons force would have access to the core Crusade rules, but there's no bespoke content for them this edition. The 9th ed stuff can be adapted, but not for Grand tournament use. If you go with the EC/ Daemon detachment, you've got bespoke content, but it can only be used for the EC units in the army, and even the core Crusade rules wouldn't apply to the Daemons. Not a big fan of what they did to Daemons in 10th.

Oh wow man, just checked the Space Marine pack, and if you're okay with Legends, Chaos can take Spartans and Leviathans. I don't know if that was always the case, but I love these models for Loyalists, and they're even cooler if you Chaosify/ Convert them. Thanks for the detailed analysis/ comparison of IA DW to Index DW- I didn't even notice that the IA Teams were the old composition. That's cool because I can still use my Outriders in a KT as long as it's an IA list. I am now motivated to finish the conversion (getting DW shoulderpads to work on outriders is not going to be fun (it's been a while since I looked at the kit, so I'm not sure it's all three riders that have shoulderpads built directly onto the arm, but at least one of them does).

So the only one I've looked at so far is Imperial Agents- it's a huge improvement- Karamazov, the Jokaero and Daemonhost are back and they added a ton of Deathwatch Cards. I'm going to to check out the others that interest me, but I won't be checking out all of them- I made the thread general to updated packs rather than specific to IA, so anyone can post changes to their favourites.

@Captain Idaho Thanks for the response... And you're right- I tend to miss the larger point looking at specifics, and because I'm an information guy, I also frequently miss humour. I need to lighten up! And while I care very little about Marines, it is certainly true that 40k would collapse without them. Even I have to concede that Deathwatch and Grey Knight DO continue to interest me- I was ecstatic to see that the new Deathwatch Decimus Kill Team is up, for example. So even I, the guy who constantly whines about Marines, wait for the announcements about them that DO affect me. @SpecialIssue You wrote: "You and everyone else, from a 15 year old with badly painted custom chapter to Dan Abnett and the Imperial Armours, first and foremost are meant engage with the setting by carving out your own area within, using your own creativity and imagination. Not consume a serialised story that is imposed on everyone regardless of its quality or their taste." I agree, BTW, but I think my position is that even in the current era, nothing prevents me from doing exactly what I used to do before the plot started advancing with Gathering Storm. If you check out my Chronicle of Saint Katherine's Aegis posts in the Crusade Club, you'll see that the system I created does not exist anywhere in GW's Lore. The Desdaemona system is a backwater that's been ignored by the Imperium for 4 millennia. Guilliman is never going to go there. The ongoing narrative did not prevent me from doing that. Now, as fate would have it, there ARE elements of the Lore I DO plan to use. In my original conception of this campaign, it was always going to be rediscovered by the Imperium at large eventually. But I am choosing to use the discovery of the Blackstone Fortress on the Western Fringe of Pacificus as the thing that motivates that discovery... So Taddeus the Purifier and Pious Vorne will find the System on their way to the BSF- they'll stop in as "Guest members" for a battle or two and then move on. They'll return to the Desdaemona system on their way back from the BSF. But here's the kicker: I'm CHOOSING to do that because it's convenient, but I could have just as easily have had a random Explorator Crew make that discovery. In the day before the plot started moving, we chose what to use and what not to use. We still do. Don't like the Cicatrix Maledictum? Set your games in an area of the galaxy that's unaffected by it. Just as possible to do that as it ever was. I happen to LIKE the Cicatrix, but the only Campaign book I bought this edition was Tyrannic War; when I saw how little rules content it included compared to 9th ed Campaign books, I decided they weren't worth my money, because rules are what I personally want out of a campaign book. The only BL book I've bought in YEARS is Adrian Tchaikovsky's Day of Ascension. I was no more forced to consume serialized books than I ever have been. They exist, but I choose whether or not to use them, just like I've been doing since '89. Conceptually, I like Ynarri, though I think it's ridiculous that either Yvraine or the Visarch must be in every Ynarri army, so I'm choosing to ignore that stupid rule. If an opponent has a hard time with that, I'll just use a different army in battles with them. I've been doing THAT since '89 too. I do know that it is possible to run into conflicts with other players about what is/ is not appropriate based on lore- if I'm fighting a battle outside the Pariah Nexus using Inquisitor Draxus during a time when she's SUPPOSED to be in the Pariah Nexus, some folks MIGHT call me out on that... But it's rare. Speaking of Draxus, some people will even let me attach her to a unit of Aeldari Rangers to represent her Radical tendencies... that's not permitted by the rules either, but it ain't going to stop me from doing it in a battle where my opponent is cool with it, and it never has. Whether setting or story, the galaxy is still big enough to use the parts of the lore you like and ignore the parts you don't. If you and your opponent don't agree, it's usually simple enough to find a compromise.

For me, it was mostly the promise of plastic Sisters and the return of the GSC... But Gathering Storm WAS a hook- I though Uvraine and the Ynarri were soooo cool. I still think they are BTW, but I wish GW would grow them a bit- create an actual Ynarri battleline unit and a generic HQ. But see, that kinda requires advancing the story, right? It would mean that the Ynarri had grown to the point where they were fighting on too many fronts for one of the triad of characters to ALWAYS be the Warlord. The appearance of the new Blackstone Fortress beyond the Western Fringe of Pacificus was another huge hook for me. And again, the Torchbearer Fleet Crusade rules are some of the best damn rules writing GW has ever done, and absolutely would not be possible without the Primaris event that so many other people have said they hate. Especially since the Torchbearer Lore facilitated greater and more widespread use of the SoS- another supercool plot development. New and emerging Lore was required to bring the Votann back into the fray as well, right? They ARE the Squats... but quite a lot of stuff has happened since those early encounters where the secrets of the Votann were unknown. Respectfully @Captain Idaho, I think talking about what YOU do and don't like is absolutely cool, but you're probably going to run into problems when you try to tell people you don't know and have never met what THEY do and don't like. Ain't trying to pick a fight or anything... But speaking for others is a tricky business.

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I'm not going to wade into the extended conversation you guys are having, but I wanted to share a tangent about my favourite female Samurai, and one of my personal heroes, Tomoe Gozen. It's a tangent, so I'm putting it in a spoiler.