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It’s also worth remembering that a common tactic used by the Iron Hands was exactly what was done by Ferrus. Use an initial smaller force to bait out the enemy into deploying in full, then unleash a second wave to annihilate the opposition. If the second wave hadn’t turned out to be traitors, it’d be a textbook example of one of his Legions standard tactics.

The cables on the pistol in the new art kinda fade into air, not connecting to anything.

It looks like they fed this older artwork into an AI and told it to remove the monkey, change the head, and add colour.

There’s always been a bit of knightly influence to the Imperial Fists as well, the Black Templars are essentially just Scouring-era Dorn.

I’m hoping that’s translatable to “I can’t say anything before the official announcement”, because if anything needed a closing epilogue, it was this series.

There was an apparently not-insignificant number of Iron Hands who threw in with Horus after the Massacre, following their “might makes right” philosophy.

We are told that each Primarch lead their Legions, although that depends on if you interpret that as including the Missing Primarchs as well. The most likely answer is that one of them rebelled against the Emperor, but did so alone, with only a portion of their Legion. Given the smaller scale, it was able to be put down with relative ease, but given the precarious nature of the fledgling Imperium it would be politically unfeasible to show a Primarch rebelling against the Emperor, so it gets swept under the rug. The only reason this isn’t done with the Horus Heresy is a matter of scale. Most Imperial citizens aren’t aware of the Traitor Legions outside of religious dogma, but the Heresy was so widespread and foundational an event that a complete coverup is impossible, so it’s just restricted to various levels of how much people get taught.

Not sure I agree with his logic to remove the acidic spit, but I hadn’t read that fluff before. Thanks for the new info.

I can understand Sanguinius freaking out, the Flesh Change was hidden from everyone outside the Thousand Sons Legion, so as far as Sanguinius knows, the Red Thirst IS grounds for dissolution, particularly since the Revenant Legion was nearing that point before he was found. I still go by the theory that they were corrupted by the Rangdan, and actively turned on the Imperium afterwards. This also helps reconcile the claims that the Space Wolves destroyed one or more of the missing Legions, since it was them alongside the Dark Angels that did the “cleanup” in the aftermath of the Rangdan Xenocides.

Much as I like what was done with Meduson, I just can’t get over how stupid his name is. For so long, the only real Iron Hands character in the entire Heresy series was Captain Meduson, the guy from planet Medusa, making him Medusan. It feels like a deliberate snub when the EotD introduced a new Iron Hands character, Sergeant Medusi.

Sure, they didn’t then, but they do “now”, and have enough understanding of genelines to recognise what line a particular Chapter comes from. Even during the Crusade, you run into the issue of “people have to be in on the conspiracy to know not to use the geneseed of Brother Bob and not do so without drawing attention to it, when even Primarchs weren’t allowed to keep their memory”. Plus, the Soul Drinkers also never made sense as a Second Founding. The Imperial Fist Legion got split into the die-hard veterans (Imperial Fists), the calmer moderates (Crimson Fists), the vengeful crusaders (Black Templars), and then… the boarding specialists? It doesn’t fit. The twist of them being a later unrelated Founding that had the truth twisted into believing they were a Second Founding makes much more sense. Even if you just go off the 3 different “true” ones, they all have the exact same geneseed degradation, losing the Betchers and Sus-an organs.

Honestly, the whole “rolled into the IF and UM Legions” thing never made any sense, given the Mechanicus do constant testing of geneseed purity, and are able to tell what Primarch geneline a particular sample came from.

This is absolutely a complaint we lay against other authors, it’s just that this is specifically a thread about Abnetts books, so we’re going to be discussing him more here. Edit: as an example, fan favourite AD-B got ripped into for calling Dorn the IVth Primarch.

This isn’t just a case of “PTSD-afflicted soldier learns to love again”, Horus and Maloghurst literally ritually killed a portion of Horus’ actual soul, the part of his soul that was emotional and cared about familial ties and love, etc. That’s what you’re not getting. The series MADE it that it works that way. Hell, even Abnett had it work that way when he has the Emperor jettison the Star Child aspect of himself before reaching Horus. But Abnett ignores all of that for Horus because it doesn’t fit the story he wants to tell. Then you have the guts to say this proves how much of a team player he is and how carefully he fits his writing around what came before. He’s a good writer. Volume 3 was absolutely amazing in many, many ways. What it was categorically not, however, was something that fit neatly into other authors. Want more examples? Lorgar and Erebus. Last we saw Lorgar under a different author, he was excommunicating Erebus for going against his designs. He all but gave him to Khârn for execution. He was cast out. Now though, we’ve got Lorgar doting over his favouritest son Erebus.

Then what was the point of spending multiple books purposefully removing that aspect of Horus? I’m not saying the way Horus was shown in Vol3 wasn’t good, it was pretty awesome, it just wasn’t in a way that worked with the prior books. Both can be true at the same time.