Doghouse

I'm really not a fan of this idea but I am more of an old school what's behind the mystery door kind of guy. My personal take is that they more they adopt a no stone left unturned approach the less interesting the setting becomes for me. I preferred the good old days before we knew everything about Primarchs as people rather than being the mythological beings of history they were always intended to be. I don't really buy into the giving the fans what they've been asking for all along mentality because at the end of the day they're doing it to sell more novels which for a publishing branch of GW is fair enough. I think it's more of a product now for a newer generation who never knew the days of making buildings out of pudding pots and hills out of stacked books with a great cloth over the top. I certainly do not expect everyone to share my feelings on this kind of thing though and am probably in the minority.

I may have just the thing.

I'm wondering how this impacts FLGS sales. From my casual delves into retail sales of the product Alcamist Workshops are still showing 341 copies of the starter in stock. I've also noticed the stand alone rules book has sold out in a lot of places, presumably because people have existing armies so I was wondering if people may just get the Saturnine models separately? I can't see how this is going to help FLGS' push more starter sets? I skipped getting the boxed set because I just wanted some MK II, if it wasn't released this early separately I may have caved and bought the starter.

I think they should stick to a six year cycle and have a new mid edition themed starter set released at the three year mark.

I ordered some of the MK II marines to play around with Great Crusade era but will be holding off on the rest. I'm taking a wait and see approach, if HH3 works out I may dip my toe but I'm reluctant at them because as much as it pains me GW is just a product treadmill these days. I am looking forward to the Legacy and Blackshield PDFs and will decide when the picture is clearer I think.

I agree and think this is definitely the case. Had the leaks not happened then the Legacy drop would been on time for release and the backlash would have been significantly smaller. I think there would still be a few people saying that it's legacy so not supported or they're not official regardless of what GW said but no where near as much as it has been. I don't think the players were wrong in their reaction though because they were acting on the only information they had at the time which looked dire. This is why I really am not a fan of leaks or spreading them.

@DemonGSides I completely agree. The current edition is destined to be the next out of print edition no one plays and the time that current edition is relevant is getting shorter and shorter with far less regard for people's existing model collection or the time they have spent on them. It's just the same old thing tweaked, rehashed and remarketed over and over and over again. I think it boils down to people changing their mindset and breaking free from the new shiny mentality cycle that they are trapped in and learning to adopt more of a D&D editions mentality where players are willing to stick with an edition they enjoy or try other versions. If people are new to the hobby then yeah fair enough, this current edition is their edition and they are the ones GW are targeting. But I still have every edition dating back to rogue trader so that doesn't apply to the likes of me. It surprises me when people talk about their favourite editions being stuff like 3rd or 5th but they'd rather struggle on with the latest edition or just sit it out altogether seeking alternatives. It saddens me greatly to see how the production line is now the focus with masses of attention being paid to leaks, fomo, reveals and new releases, it's almost become a hobby in itself and I personally think creativity has suffered because of it. I don't think things will really change until people stop seeing the hobby as a product and embrace it for what it used to be.

With the impending release of HH3 my personal and final take on recent events and the new edition in general is stick with second edition, the main way to beat edition churn is not to take part in it. Older editions of their games still exist and as we've seen with Blood Bowl and Necromunda the community is more than capable of keeping a game alive with or without GW. Refusal to buy their products or play their current editions is going to have zero impact on GW, they don't care because there are always going to be people buying their products who exist outside of the online community bubble. Even a perceived HH3 flop of a launch by the community isn't going to impact them, as Jack Sparrow once said "I love those moments, I like to wave at them as they pass by." You're never going to stick it to the man so to speak so why turn your back on something you already love and enjoy? I realize a massive chunk of the people reading this will pass over this comment or roll their eyes at the old man shouting at clouds, but speaking as a forty year veteran of wargaming who has been there and done that as far as hobby clout and influence is concerned and has worked with and been told that I have inspired thousands of individual hobbyists during my time I will offer this final single sage and hard learnt piece of advice to all of those that do read this. Free your mind and play YOUR game how YOU want to with YOUR miniatures.

Don't ask questions, just consume product then get excited for next product.

Yeah you could tell by the elbows and knee pads which I thought was a really nice touch, glad they confirmed it.

Best thing I ever did was learn ignore GW release schedules and marketing hype to become more patient for things that I wanted to get when I needed them rather than felt I had to get immediately or miss out. I won't be touching this edition but it's interesting to see Mk II being a solo release this early on and that the army books releases are on day one too.

Chaos Dwarves?

My personal take on that armour variant is that it's a modernization of the Imperial pattern armour but with flared greaves. The torso and the knee and elbow pads share some distinct design characteristics.

I can see what they are going for and it gives a nice early crusade theme feel to me but I really am not a fan of the style of the Terminators or the Dreadnought so will probably pass on this one completely. Nice to see Mk II plastics as it really should be quite prominent at the time of the Heresy. I think it'd be cool if the terminators were mini dreadnoughts.