Doghouse

For me personally speaking yeah I would have genuinely been fine for it staying the same for another two decades to be honest. There is so much room for people to create their own lore in the ten thousand years prior that you could easily create massive events that have simply been forgotten or not recorded by the Administratum. You can create your own high stakes and still have it lost to time within the labyrinthian and poorly kept records of Terra. The lore has always been a framework for you as a player to build upon and create your own adventures. I have always been a firm believer in the players using their own imagination and to be fair there is nothing stopping GW retconning new items into the lore like they have done in the past with things like the storm eagle, vindicator, predator, etc. It's never really stopped them expanding in the past. We have even had new armies added such as the Necrons and the Tau prior to the 41st millennium and it never tanked the setting and new people continued to take up the game. In fact I'd say prior to 8th edition there was far more focus on the rules and balance causing issues than the lore. The other thing to remember is that the moving story can also create the same issues that you have raised filing in all the blanks bits of the canvas and uncovering all the mysteries that were never meant to be revealed with a glaring spotlight. Things like the Dark Angels being a favourite example of mine. The ten thousand years of shame that was a closely guarded dishonour to the Chapter to the point they would kill other Space Marines or Imperial Forces and their Primarch slumbering beneath the rock much like an Arthurian legend of old just hand waved away as the Lion wakes up and begins traveling around in a cloud of pine scented Febreze as he turned the Fallen into the Risen. It's this kind of stuff that sucks the darkness and mysticism from the setting and cheapens it for me as they just became a bland regular Chapter in my eyes. And the other thing to remember is that by progressing the story they are at greater risk of painting themselves into a corner. Truth be told it could have all been kept within the 41st millennium but objectively it doesn't fit in the what has become the mainstream corporate image of what the game universe has become. I personally think it's more about establishing a solid foundation they can copyright and license out to third parties generating cash streams where they have to do very little work themselves. But these are just the ramblings of an old man like me wishing for a return the good old days.

I preferred the game when it was much more of a retrospective sandbox setting with a focus on past events leaving players enough room to use their imagination to create their own little pockets of forgotten history. The two minutes to midnight that crept in from the Black Library ruined the setting for me personally and triggered the downwards spiral of the lore. I think it's more to do with the rise of Black Library and the success of the Horus Heresy series that has driven the need to have a progressing narrative which is fair enough because it's a corporate product now rather than a hobby. I'm not a fan of the fact that people said this is what has been asked of the setting for years when it clearly hasn't, I personally being one of the previously extremely active old guard can't recall anyone ever saying this. My personal take is probably fairly obvious I would have preferred it had the Primarchs never returned and the Primaris thing had just been rescaled Firstborn marines. I think the main issue is that if you don't like the way things are you will easily be forgotten and replaced by newer players who have not ever known it to be any different to how it is now. Tenth edition and it's setting is their entry to universe of 40k. Given the emphasis on nostalgia for items that most people in the hobby now probably never experienced first time around i think that GW are shooting themselves in the foot by not releasing electronic special edition previous editions of the game as a Legends series.

I think the beauty of a space marine Chapter is the that word 'Star' ties in perfectly to both the nature of 40k being set in futuristic sci fi and being able to identify more subtly with the star badge so easily recognised as a Sherriff Badge without beating people over the head with it. Something like Silver Stars of Iron Stars would be perfect for any generic space marine Chapter let alone a themed one.

I'm really not a fan, visually it doesn't work for me. The Gobbo is breaks up the image too much and should really be the central focus rather than looking like a tacked on afterthought. I like the idea but feel like it's poorly executed.

I think space marines are actually am extremely viable option and far more practical to make than a guard army. To be honest, in a game with space Vikings riding giant wolves, literal space vampires, motorbike riding Mongolians and one chapter that even is turning into humanoid sharks, one chapter literally burst into flames and survived, the list is endless and the idea of a Stetson wearing space marine is tame in comparison by far to most. The hat itself could have huge cultural significance to the people of their home world, it doesn't have to be cheesy Woody, Clint Eastwood or Lone Ranger type stuff you could quite easily make it work with a little forethought. It's no different to wearing a beret or any other form of hat or markings. Imagine a harsh desert death world that raises migrating Grox herds to due extreme temperatures on the side of the planet as it turns to face the sun so they forever have a burning horizon of death at their backs. Throw in that the unimaginably vast herds of migrating Grox are used as food for a local Hiveworld or Imperial planet and basically single cycle as the planet surface turns to the dark side facing dormant monstrous creatures erupt forth from beneath the surface to attack the caravans of Grox herders in a nightmarish never ending battle for survival. The Stetson style head gear is used to protect their heads while allowing visability and keep the glare of the horizon from their eyes as they fight pretty much every living thing on the planet that is trying to kill their herds. Work in something about how heavy pistols are used for ease while riding horse like creatures and job's a good un. 40K is only limited when people lack the will to indulge in their imagination.

I think this is a messed up all round, GW have the right to protect their products and IP but this seems extremely Lawhammer heavy handed salt the earth stuff but at the same time he was clearly pushing his luck making obvious alternative models for 40k. As many have said in the past GW have been just a guilty of this blatently taking stuff from the likes of Dune, Lord of the Rings, etc. I preferred this hobby when everyone wasn't try to turn 40k into a cottage industry, back in my day we shared ideas freely and didn't slap Patreon on everything every five minutes or constantly push for Youtube sponsorships. To creatively 40k misquote the late Lemmy Kilmister from the film Hardware. "Used to be okay down here, you know that? Used to be you could walk down here any time. Go out on a Saturday night with just brass knuckles, nothing else. Maybe a piece of wood or something, piece of pipe, you know what I mean? Nowadays, you need a gun, all the time. Fething bunch of Gak what these people are doing to the fething hobby" What a shameful mess.

For me it's a value thing. I stopped buying because I no longer feel that I am getting value for my money or investment in time with the newer kits, whether it's expense or the shear amount of time I have to spend making a model only to be heavily steered to making them how GW want me to. I've shifted more into the 3d printing world and expanded my horizons beyond what GW currently offer so I've outgrown their products I guess which further makes their prices seem distasteful to me. Instead I am quite happily sat creating my own little game system and miniatures from scratch which has been very rewarding and allowed me to get back to what I consider to be the true roots of wargaming as a hobby over what has become an overly priced competitive tabletop game to me. I think that you can get some decent deals from box splitting as some have mentioned but I really do not want to become a reseller in order to make back money that I feel I should not be paying in the first place. I'd much rather feed my imagination than fill their coffers.

Finding content on Youtube is frustratingly almost non existent beyond a few that cover it exclusively and those are often trying to make money off their channels so I am not sure I trust their opinions. I'm seeing people say they enjoy it but it's hard to measure whether I want to spend money on the rule book and Libers again because it feels glossed over as an edition. As someone on the cusp it's very frustrating and feels like the moment I do take the plunge GW will pull the rug on the edition again.

Looks like the original that was made from slotta bases back in the eighties.

For me at the moment it's fine, I can currently get two 8k 1000g bottles for about the same as a box of Primaris marines currently and even if it went up to £40 a bottle I could still make maybe four times the number of models I'd get from a GW box of models. I personally prefer the freedom and choice it gives me over modern GW minis.

I'm glad I invested in a printer is all I can say. Price increases never really bothered me too much in the past but of late I think it's surpassed what even I am willing to pay. It's my personal opinion, but I feel it's such a shame it went from a hobby to a product conveyor belt fomo machine.

I love that model and would dearly like to buy one but no way I am paying £130 for a transport. On the whole I really like the PDF and it's got me tempted to dip my toe into 3rd from a modelling perspective.

I really like these lists. The introduction of a lot of Necromunda models is nice and useful for conversions and I like how you can lean into doing something like a squat army. I'm not sure I would do an entire army because it's such a financial investment these days but an allied attachment could be extremely characterful. I think that it works very well as a sandbox.

I personally am really glad that this happened for me. It broke me from the FOMO cycle and showed me that there are so many opportunities to explore the hobby beyond 40k. I have far more enjoyment making my own models from scratch than I ever did with GW conversions and if I create something I really enjoy making I can share it with others for free. For me personally it makes it a hobby again rather than the conveyor belt of product pushing it has become.

Overall it's a very odd design, I think had they said these are advanced mini dreadnoughts I'd be perfectly fine with that. I'd even be happy with the foetus position pilot from the original Contemptor design from Rogue Trader. It looks even more surreal with a bare head. The ball joints on the hips don't really make much sense to me either because it suggests they have no legs, I'd genuinely love a lore description of how they work.