Bryan Blaire

You know, I didn’t know that I wanted To see cowboy AdMech, Orks, or Kroot… But now I do. Hats off to you, TheMawr!

Leave it to GW to make the purchase possibilities even worse for these blind buys - now you aren’t even guaranteed a full team buying a whole display…

I use the AK Interactive UltraMatte both by brush and through an air brush and it works great both ways. For brush, I usually thin it 2-4:1 varnish:AK 3rd Gen acrylic thinner just to get it a bit more fluid, and watch for it to be too milky looking on the model, which causes discoloration. The thinner I use it, the more layers I will brush on.

Don’t believe so - report on the new book down in the SW forum indicates they are all in Phobos. Here’s the helpful comment from Marshall Bretton:

It would absolutely make sense to see the Wolf Scouts take up the Hounds of Morkai role as well, and the Incursors/Infiltrators/Reivers. It’s really what they would have been anyway (minus the made up Hounds capability, but I really like it as a thematic element for the Wolves).

That is one damn fine warrior of the Fang!

Yet another casualty to this Edition.

But they can’t be accompanied by Space Wolf heroes, so are they actually Space Wolves, or just icy Ultramarines…? Don't mind me, still frustrated by the rules this Edition - I should know better than to get my hopes up with GW.

Something else to consider, if you are having a hard time working the lines and keeping them straight - you can use weathering, decals, freehand, or small bits added where you have wobbles as well.

No mental gymnastics needed and no upset here on my part, just textual illustration of the situation. You were the one that started tossing around words like “toxic”…

There was a large number of them (poss. up to 200?) that were supposed to be rounded up by Njal after the Indomitus Crusade based on info from Ashes of Prospero - I don’t have actual text to quote that, but it is what is available based on Internet searching. I don’t believe we’ve ever had specific text on whether those brothers were assimilated into other Great Companies, or left as a single force, though that may be stated by the newest lore additions (if any) in the new Supplement. So it is plausible that they were assimilated or operate as a single force remnant of the 13th (which is likely what Fletcher’s army would represent). Whether this number is the last of the extant 13th Company Wolves is also unknown from what I understand - I don’t recall seeing a specific statement of the number of Marines from the 13th that went into the Warp (similar to the Fallen for the Dark Angels), nor do we know exactly how many have emerged/been retrieved from the Warp (aside from the 200ish mentioned earlier), so there may be more that may emerge into the modern 40K timeline and picked up by the Wolves as well. If someone has text showing that the 13th no longer factually exist in the current 40K timeline, it would be very helpful to show that there would be a very specific period where these Wolves as depicted by Fletcher could or could not exist.

Evil Eye, the story moved on in 7th Edition, as I established - it’s your interpretation that they are “heavily associated” with the period before that. The 13th Company has been re-emerged into modern 40K lore for three Editions (no matter how unfortunately short those have been) and can be clearly shown to be moving on from their Horus Heresy history. These very likely are modern 40K period accurate 13th Company who exist - if you disagree, prove that they are not. Just because you personally interpret the situation different doesn’t mean that these are “not adhering “ to what you view as the “proper period” or that they are “cheap” in their modern rendition. The creator appears to have very much “gone the extra mile” to make the models a correct, modern 40K period rendition of a modern 13th Company contingent. (If anything, to me, he may have gone a little too far, because I think the pragmatic views on weaponry the 13th exhibited in Curse of the Wulfen would mean they would drop less effective versions of things in favor of more effective like the Chaos bolt pistols in favor of the modern bolt pistol or even heavy bolt pistol.) The criticism, while mild, can be textually shown to be factually incorrect, and it is not toxic simply because you disagree that a personal opinion is factually incorrect - there is the possibility of modern Primaris era 13th Company - even if just recently emerged and re-armored before the Chapter can figure out what to do with them, and that, at least, is what this particular set of models by Fletcher can be seen to represent. I’m not trying to take away anyone’s opinions - it’s fine to think these look “wrong” or poorly executed, but admit that is just as much an opinion as thinking they look good. It isn’t a factually based opinion the these minis just can’t exist at all in the lore though, and the minis certainly aren’t factually wrong because we know that GW has shown that the 13th Company elements would take new armament offered.

Can someone quote the story the 13th Company miniatures Fletcher produced got “wrong” from the article? The minis represent the 13th Company, but so far as I can tell, it was never said “when” in the 13th Company these minis represent. Curse of the Wulfen, when the 13th Company partially/began re-emerged from the Warp and rejoined (at least partially) the Space Wolves, was all the way back in 7th Edition. The text of that book specifies that the 13th Company that emerged were initially smaller in number, but “the Wulfen pack leader - who called himself Yngvir - had repeated over and over that more brothers were coming and that they were borne upon the wings of the storm.” (War Zone Fenris: Curse of the Wulfen, pg. 14). We also know that the “tear” of the Milky Way was a massive Warp storm, so that may be the “wings of the storm” described, meaning that more of the 13th Company are likely to being emerging at a higher rate through the Indomitus era. We also know from the same text that the Space Wolves upgraded the arms and armor of the 13th Company that had emerged: ”The battle plate worn by the bestial warriors was little more than scrap. At the same time, they seemed reluctant to part with the familiar apparel. Two Servitors were dismembered by angry claw swipes before the Wulfen were finally parted from their battered armor. It was replaced by power armor forged by Swordfang’s own hand, its dimensions enlarged and systems adapted to accommodate the Wulfens’ hulking frames. Once armored, the Wulfen took quickly to their new gear, the enhanced power output lending them speed and strength in excess of anything they had known before.” So we know that members of the 13th Company emerged before the introduction of the Primaris and MkX armor, and we know that they don’t have issues giving up their ancient scraps in favor of more modern armament. No where in Fletcher’s comments does he say that his models are supposed to be the 13th as they just emerged from the Warp, or while in the Warp, his comment was that he “always wanted to represent the infamous 13th Company, forever altered by their hunt in the Eye of Terror.” The Wulfen parts used definitely show the altered by the Eye part of the statement. He also indicated that he wanted to “stay true to the classic Space Wolves scheme, and exhibit that iconic battleworn grey and red”, which his miniature scheme did. So since we know the 13th are willing to change their ancient armor for new versions after coming out of the Warp and we know that their members have been round in the Wolves since before the Wolves gained access to Primaris and MkX armor, it is very understandable how this depicted force could be 13th Company who exist in the current 40K timeline, twenty/fifty/a hundred/whatever the hell timey-whimey shenanigans time it’s been, years after the events in Curse of the Wulfen, and have accepted the new MkX, but worked to make it their own, and maybe even have members who weren’t full Wulfen cross the Rubicon and become Primaris as well (or maybe they’re all Wulfen who ave simply learned/relearned to use full power armor and standard weaponry). Maybe the allegations of “not sticking to the lore” are more based on the reader’s personal assumptions than any actual lore issues created by these minis, since it can be shown otherwise.

I don’t think there would be a lot of maintenance of Codex units in the Space Wolves, regardless of whether they were brought or not - those Intercessors were just as interested in melding into the Wolves when they got there and took up the trials, etc. Its a half-ass implementation that isn’t well thought out, and likely partially in an effort not to piss off players who already heavily invested in things the Wolves rightfully are unlikely to use because GW didn’t think the implementation for the Wolves through in 8th & 9th Editions either. At this point, you have Wolves that have crossed the Rubicon to become Primaris, Wolves that haven’t, Wolves that were Primaris taken originally from Fenris 10K years ago who never really fit with the “Codex” thing once de-stasis’d, and Wolves that were made as Primaris and are still in the BC or GW phase, or are even early Wolf Guard - the amount of actual “Codex” Primaris left from the Grey Shields should be pretty few by this point, not enough to justify having to separate the ruleset/keywords. That’s for GW’s ease and benefit, not ours and not the lore.

@Wispy Does it mention anything about Krom as Primaris? (I’m wondering if that’s just assumed for every Marine at this point as well.) Sounds like I’ll just keep on trucking with all the stuff I’ve bought before as I won’t enjoy 10th Ed games and hope for a better 11th/12th, and buy some new models as I finally start running out of things to paint.