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Wow this is a little wild and not the type of lore I was hoping to get added to 40k

True, but that is bad game design they should have a equivalent quality weapon. It really is not us vs them but what is better for the game a whole. Chaos is still way behind the times in gear and units but GW is very focused on the stupid primaris marines and did some interesting choices with Death Guard. I have a large collection of terminators with chainfists and I do use them but I cringe every time as they are pointed poorly at 22 points. I like playing with different types of units from time to time it is like exercising different parts of my army. I'm glad to know I did not miss it so maybe it will be updated in a FAQ as an errata.

I have the chapter approved book and I'm not happy about the contents vs the price as I feel all of this should have been free content located in other outlets. My question is did I miss the points adjustment for SM chain fists? I saw the CSM got a fair point adjustment to 14 points putting them nicely between power first and thunder hammers but I did not see this option for SM. I'm I that over worked right now that my eyes are not working or did SM not get the point change for chain fists? I don't see a new FAQ posted but I wanted to double check if I'm having user error.

I would drop some major money on new models done like the new Death Guard where we see a few new weapon and gear options to incentivizing the purchase. Hand flails, sword brethren with themed weapons and gear, I would need to wait on having a second kid,

Anyone else letting GW know that they want more stuff for Black Templar in the new GW survey? I did, also interesting survey and I know from other game companies have found the online community surveys useful. It will take a few to complete but it does give you chance to let GW know that you would like to see more stuff for BT. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/11/30/say-big-community-survey-nov-30gw-homepage-post-1/

Well that is a big change.

But don't all the renegades get a the strongest if not one of the strongest army traits?

Very true but that is still 2 cp and it is an option depending on how you build your army. Correct me if I'm wrong but are you not limited to one Stratagem per phase? Obits are growing on my as a solid suicide distraction unit. I have 6 predators on order 3 for my BT and 3 for my IW. Unless GW reduces the quality of the kill shot stratagem or the predator I most likely will be spending my CP on that unit during the shooting phase. Endless Cacophony is great but as a positive thing it is not an auto as we do have good choices to compete with it. For me, it got me Deep Strikeing my Obliterators more & having them support my Terminators & Lord in my games. Then once the new codex is out, I've always got the Veteran of the Long war command point to use if & when it really needed I've been watching the miniwargamer video & I'm like it all. Does mean I need to re-work my list a little bit for Throne of Skulls which is 100 power levels. Just things like my Helbrute, Vindicator, Lord been brought down a bit which is really cool. Yes the miniwargamer FREE video was good. They need to balance their audio levels. I'm seeing my oblits as with my IW now not a support unit when they have all the different weapons but a deep strike distraction unit to flank with my IW gun line. This get the ignore cover so that is nice when it comes into play. Yes the point reductions are very nice and does that put the Lord of Skulls on pair with a knight now? Oh don't for get about the defiler has the base points down to 152 I think.

Well there is one that would work well for them. Vets of the long war +1 on the wound rolls for only 1 CP.

Oblits are the same cost and seems to be the same way you roll as the index and range but it is assault 4 now. The limited range is the killer but they might be doable. The defiler might be a real thing that you see in chaos lists now. With the points reduced to 152 and the reaper now 15 you can add a havoc launcher for a 187 point model. The warpsmith with a 45 base cost plus axe for 5, Melta 17, flamer 9 comes in at a total of 76 is doable now.

Thanks! Wow bale flamer is reduced to 30 points oh thank god.

I'm hoping this is the case and they did not goofy and go OH ya here is the cost for the Aspiring Champ. But if this is the case and the TS codex will have the minor psychers reduced in cost that would be very nice. This is key as you really don't have a good ranged support units in CSM besides havocs. Even with obits going to assault 4 the range is what keeps them from being really good. The predator even in the SM codex I feel is one of the top dogs. In the CSM codex you have Havocs and Predators at the top and way down is everything else for long ranged or heavy fire support. Kill shot is the same as the SM codex and this stratagem is stupid good. When attacking vehicles or monster add 1 to wound rolls and damage. So heavy bolters are wounding T7 and T8 monsters or vehicles on 4s and doing 2 statics damage vs 1. Plus Havoc launcher makes me simile with this.

Looks like reaper is down to 15 points. Plague marines is two points cheaper. Mutilators are 50 points and Oblits with the assault 4 are either worth it now? Exalted Champ is 70 points and mauler fiend got 9 points cheaper. Warpsmith is down to 45 but don't sure how is gear will run him. Defiler is a lot cheaper but again not sure how the wargear works out.

I had enough other things on the table that the talon was still doing well in the later game. I went into hover mode and did not move so the positive and negative was canceled when I was using the skyhammer on non fly models. This was a case of good luck in that game and it worked out well. I do not think my storm guppies are a great choice but they were fun. The Raven is still the go to for the fliers bases on the weapon load out, Power of the Machine Spirit and drop off a dread and a unit on the way around the table.

I did have an twin assault cannon skyhammer talon do well for me the other day. It was not a cheap model but I do play against a lot of armies that have the "fly" keyword. I have picked up a StormHawk to double up on the +1 to hit from the Icarus Stormcannon, skyhammer and Interceptors when taking on models with "fly". But for me the Storm Hawk is more of a situational meta case I feel vs a reliable all comers.