Paulie771

***Snip*** This is fantastic. Thank you very much for taking the time to post it. It helps me a lot.

I've considered this as well. I'm leaning this way. I've done this in the past and I honestly feel the hassle of keeping up with the arms, changing them out, and them coming off in battle or moving at odd angles is more trouble than it's worth. Appreciate the suggestion, however.

Would our TDA still have the usual Crux Terminatus on the left shoulder? There are a few pads in the BT upgrade sprues that appear to be a stylized Crux Terminatus but I can't find any art that shows a good depiction of that shoulder. Nit picking, I know, but while I'm building these two boxes, I figure I could do it right instead of being annoyed with them being wrong in the future. Also, while I've got your attention, I've built one box with all TH/SS. I'm still assembling the second box. Should I build them all with lightning claws, a mix of them and TH/SS, or just go for the full out TH/SS ten man squad?

++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Black Templars) [111 PL, 12CP, 1,999pts] ++ + Configuration + Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command Cost + HQ + Chaplain Grimaldus [5 PL, 95pts]: Litany of Hate High Marshal Helbrecht [8 PL, 155pts]: Warlord The Emperor's Champion [4 PL, 80pts] + Troops + Assault Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 105pts] . 4x Assault Intercessor: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol . Assault Intercessor Sgt: Heavy Bolt Pistol, Power fist Assault Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 105pts] . 4x Assault Intercessor: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol . Assault Intercessor Sgt: Heavy Bolt Pistol, Power fist Crusader Squad [16 PL, 211pts] . 7x Initiate w/ Chainsword: 7x Astartes Chainsword, 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Frag & Krak grenades . 7x Neophyte w/Combat Knife: 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Combat knife, 7x Frag & Krak grenades . Sword Brother: Power sword, Storm bolter + Elites + Bladeguard Veteran Squad [5 PL, 105pts] . 2x Bladeguard Veteran: 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 2x Master-crafted power sword, 2x Storm Shield . Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant: Heavy Bolt Pistol Terminator Assault Squad [18 PL, 263pts]: Teleport Homer . Assault Terminator Sergeant . . Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield: Thunder hammer . 5x Assault Terminator w/THSS: 5x Storm shield, 5x Thunder hammer Venerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 155pts]: Missile launcher, Twin lascannon Venerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 155pts]: Missile launcher, Twin lascannon + Heavy Support + Land Raider Crusader [15 PL, 310pts]: Multi-melta + Dedicated Transport + Impulsor [7 PL, 130pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Shield Dome Impulsor [7 PL, 130pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Shield Dome ++ Total: [111 PL, 12CP, 1,999pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net) Unit purposes: Helbrecht (warlord) and Grimaldus buff the Crusaders that are charging out of the LRC. The Crusaders could also be rear objective baby sitters while Helbrecht and Grimaldus join the EC to beat face in the front lines with the terminators out of the LRC. Assault Intercessors are charging out of the Impulsors or rushing for objectives. Ven. Dreads are main AT for the army. The TH/SS terminators are for dealing with elite infantry and close in AT. This list feels very light on AT and higher toughness units, IMO. I love the Bladeguard models and they feel very BT-ish so I threw them in but I'm not sure what they're purpose is. Obviously they are anti-infantry but this list feels very heavy on that. Open to suggestions on them. Also, do I want to drop Grimaldus and replace him with a terminator chaplain that supports the assault terminators? Very open to suggestions for appropriate Litanies and Relic(s). Thanks!

Excellent resources and replies. Thank you all for contributing. I'm thinking a light grey for my crusade's Neophytes is in order.

Looking to get my Neophytes painted and really don't know what the best scheme is to have them done in. I assume black armor w/ white shoulders, but what about the fabric? Is it a tan or a gray or straight black? I can't seem to find any good art or armies that show this very well.

I'm considering having my jump pack-equipped Black Templar Assault Marines and Vanguard Vets painted up as Angry Marines. I'm not a tournament player so these would only ever really be used in friendly games to add some levity and a color pop to the army. Would you have any issue playing against such a unit? They'd be modeled with Angry Marine-specific weapons (nailed bats, power wrenches, maybe a power chair, etc) but would otherwise be standard Black Templar Assault Marines and Vanguard Vet datasheets and I'd let my opponent know what the weapon actually are.

Yea I'm not a huge fan of the bright colors as a full helmet. I like the idea of stripes better. Maybe for rank just making one of the shoulder trims different? Silver for company captain, bronze for LTs, yellow for sgts, with a stripe of some sort to differentiate the vets if necessary? Or a different colored knee? Thanks, these are good options.

Do we have any solid sources on helmet colors for vets, sergeants, and officers? What about pauldron trim for the various companies? Do they follow the standard RG color format? I'm using all my Vanguard guys as the 10th company. I'm considering using yellow for sergeants, yellow with a white strip for officers, but don't really know a good way to differentiate the officers. Perhaps a light blue (usually the eye lense color) and make their eyes yellow? Very open to examples, sources, and suggestions. Thanks!

I would very much like to be included on this order if at all possible.

I decided when the Shadowspear box came out to paint up and use all my Phobos-armored marines as 10th company Raptors as the fluff of both the armor and the chapter seemed to go well together. When the new RG supplement was announced, I had hoped we'd get some new/updated Raptors fluff and maybe even a new character or our own chapter tactic. However, I haven't seen much of anything about them being in the supplement. There certainly wasn't anything mentioned about successor chapters being covered in the supplement on the Community site. Is there much reason for a Raptors player to get the new supplement or is the new Marine codex enough?

Anyone have a link to a good chainsword and pistol with Shapeways? And are regular marine's heads the same size as primaris?

Which helmet to do I want for my MkIII Crusaders? World Eaters MkII Forgeworld upgrade kit: Spellcrow Templar Space Knights helmets: I think I'm leaning toward the Spellcrow variety. Anyone think the FW type would be better or have another other options I should consider?

Thank you for pointing that out. I was just playing around with Battlescribe and hadn't read that part of the codex. I had planned on dropping the Marshall in with the Castellan and the assault squad to wreak havoc in the enemy's back field. I may still. Just this sort of thing. Why wouldn't you run either of them? My thought was to use the Cadians to hold back back field and any objectives that may be on my side of the board, while a 10 man Crusader and the SC went in the LRC to rush as far forward as they can then assault out of it. One of the 10 man Crusaders would possibly go in the Rhino to do the same thing, while the 5 man Crusaders dealt with big stuff. I worked up another list with a single BT battalion that also swapped the mortars for more las-cannon in the Cadian BN. I could also put them in the infantry squads for more protection and keep the mortars. I'd like to fit an Ironclad dread but really don't know how unless I drop all the SC and put in a vanilla Marshal, Castellan, and/or Chaplain.

Thanks for the replies. I've worked up a list that's based on Armageddon since I already have Cadians and there were 15 or so regiments of them on planet during the events of Helsreach. Please tell me the failings of this list and what a good fix would be for them. It feels light on anti-tank to me but I'm not sure how to fix it in a fluffy manner. ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [16 PL, 8CP, 213pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot + Battle-forged CP [3CP] Detachment CP [5CP] Regimental Doctrine: Regiment: Cadian + HQ + Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Laspistol Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Display Astra Militarum Orders, Laspistol + Troops + Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Chainsword, Laspistol Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Chainsword, Laspistol Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Chainsword, Laspistol + Heavy Support + Heavy Weapons Squad [3 PL, 33pts] . Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar . Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar . Heavy Weapon Team: Mortar ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [67 PL, 2CP, 1,158pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot + **Chapter Selection**: Black Templars Detachment CP [5CP] Relics of the Chapter (2 Relics) [-3CP] + HQ + Captain [6 PL, 112pts]: Jump Pack, Power fist, Storm shield, The Crusader's Helm High Marshal Helbrecht [9 PL, 150pts]: Warlord The Emperor's Champion [4 PL, 75pts] + Troops + Crusader Squad [8 PL, 131pts] . 4x Initiate w/Chainsword . 5x Neophyte w/Combat Knife . Sword Brother: Power fist, Storm bolter Crusader Squad [8 PL, 131pts] . 4x Initiate w/Chainsword . 5x Neophyte w/Combat Knife . Sword Brother: Power fist, Storm bolter Crusader Squad [5 PL, 112pts] . 2x Initiate . Initiate w/Heavy Weapon: Lascannon . Initiate w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun . Sword Brother: Chainsword, Combi-plasma + Fast Attack + Assault Squad [11 PL, 159pts]: Jump Pack . 9x Space Marine . Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Power fist + Heavy Support + Land Raider Crusader [16 PL, 288pts]: 2x Hurricane bolter, Multi-melta, Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [36 PL, 5CP, 628pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot + **Chapter Selection**: Black Templars Detachment CP [5CP] + HQ + Chaplain Grimaldus [6 PL, 90pts] Lieutenants [5 PL, 92pts] . Lieutenant: Jump Pack, Plasma pistol, Power fist, The Armour Indomitus + Troops + Crusader Squad [8 PL, 131pts] . 4x Initiate w/Chainsword . 5x Neophyte w/Combat Knife . Sword Brother: Power fist, Storm bolter Crusader Squad [8 PL, 131pts] . 4x Initiate w/Chainsword . 5x Neophyte w/Combat Knife . Sword Brother: Power fist, Storm bolter Crusader Squad [5 PL, 112pts] . 2x Initiate . Initiate w/Heavy Weapon: Lascannon . Initiate w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun . Sword Brother: Chainsword, Combi-plasma + Dedicated Transport + Rhino [4 PL, 72pts]: Storm bolter ++ Total: [119 PL, 15CP, 1,999pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe