Dagoth Ur

I have to say this leak series has turned from bizarre to downright horrific. What do you mean no powerfists, chainfists or thunder hammers on tartaros squads of any kind? What do you mean locked load-outs on consul centurions? What do you mean absence of TDA options for consul centurions?

Nope Power Fists are +4 Strength Modifier (See previous page) so that makes marines S8 with them as before. The Saturnine Disruption Fist is indeed +2S for a total of 6 but it does deal 3 Damage as opposed to the 2 Damage a Power Fist deals.

Reimaginings of 1st and 2nd edition 40k stuff were already well present in 1st Edition Horus Heresy. The Master of Signals and lore on the discipline corps in the legions are just two examples of that.

What a nice surprise to wake up to! Saturnine Praetor: This is a no for me. Don't like the pose, the hammer is weird and the additional sculpting on the shoulders does not work for me. Easy pass. Saturnine Terminators: These are a real mixed bag for me. I do like the more exo-skeletal nature of them, reminds me a lot of the idea that TDA is in part based on old exo-armours and protective suits. The double plasma outfit looks a bit weird. I do think they need some form of tabard or loincloth to mask the oddly elongated mid section a bit and I'd prefer if the shoulders were a bit lowered. I reckon I'll have some fun converting them. What I will say I do like is that this feels like a foray into terminators that aren't just smashy bricks but more of a heavy support choice. Mark II Centurion: From what little I can see of him, I like him a lot more than the 2nd Edition box praetors. Mark II Marines: I think people need to let go of the whole layered vs. segmented armour debate. Given how casting plastic minis works they were never going to be layered without some horrible undercutting issues. These I am most excited for to throw into my Alpha Legion. Disintegrators: Now these I am hyper curious for. It's a pet-favorite weapon of mine and seeing them on veterans and in bigger blocks of marines seems very interesting. The design, what little I can make out of it, seems to be a really nice raygun sci fi type of gun. Definitely gonna work some into my various lists. Saturnine Dreadnought: I am surprised at how much I like it. Curious to see what sort of role it will occupy in the legion list but more dreads is always a good thing in my book. I wish they had a bit of armour on their thighs but I can easily fix that myself. I particularly like the more tubular plasma gun design. Very funky. Gun Platform: Don't really care much about that one. Seems decently sculpted but its whatever. All in all this is definitely a yes for me.

With all due respect for the Goonhammer content creators, but I think you'll find very little sympathy for an opinion like that in the HH community given that you went from having some fantastic HH articles during first edition to being happy to platform people that describe Horus Heresy as "a game that no sane person plays" and that a particular (and critical Mechanicum) release for it was "a little bit of charity, for the heresy freaks to get a release here and there, but I don't think we should encourage them too much. One lackluster release is about what they deserve." https://www.goonhammer.com/goonhammer-roundtable-the-lvo-2025-gw-reveals/ The rules absolutely matter in the Horus Heresy because their granularity supports the plethora of options people turn into great creative projects. The crunch supports the fluff and vice versa, whereas this has been lost to a large degree in 40k from 8th edition onward. I think a large portion of anxiety in the community comes both from invalidation of books (which would suck but will eventually happen) and 30k morphing into something that in my experience a lot of 30k players are actually fleeing in droves (the rules design philosophy of 40k). As for my 2 cents, I hope this will be something in the vein of 6th to 7th edition in terms of transition - largely still congruent but with some polish taken to it. They shouldn't be scared to address issues and patch up holes in the rules, but ideally we'd retain the ability to use our lovely books for a few more years to come.

So I've been cleaning out my collection, refurbishing things and slowly building new stuff - and I noticed that as I usually play Company of Bitter Iron, I never actually get to use Ferrus. So I threw together a 4k list themed around Ferrus and Nullificators. For background information: my usual play partner and I are not power-gamers in any sense of the word. We're usually fairly decent at moderating ourselves when it comes to powerful options and are planning an escalation campaign between the two of us themed around the war of Colchis. So I will be primarily facing WB forces with heaps of corrupted units, daemons and a general tilt towards melee with some land raiders. One thing to keep in mind is that we slightly modified how objectives work in our games. In our games all Troop units can take an objective, but precedence is given to Line units (i.e. if I have a non-line Troop unit on an objective then it belongs to me but if my enemy moves a Line unit close enough to it, then it belongs to them). So here's the list: Iron Hands; Row: The Head of the Gorgon; 3995p LoW: Ferrus Manus (775p) >Retinue: Morlock Terminator Squad >4x Power Fists, Legion Standard, 3x Volkite Chargers >Augmentor: Power Fist, Volkite Culverin, Cyber Familiar HQ: Centurion Cataphracti (165p) >Consul: Nullificator Primus >Aether Shock Maul, Toxiferran Flamer, Cyber Familiar, Grenade Harness Centurion Cataphracti (165p) >Consul: Nullificator Primus >Aether Shock Maul, Toxiferran Flamer, Cyber Familiar, Grenade Harness Centurion Cataphracti (155p) >Consul: Chaplain >Thunder Hammer, Combi Bolter, Cyber Familiar, Grenade Harness Elites: Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (585p) >Contemptor Dreadnought >Gravis Power Fist with in-built Graviton Gun >Gravis Melta Cannon >Contemptor Dreadnought >Gravis Power Fist with in-built Graviton Gun >Gravis Melta Cannon >Contemptor Dreadnought >Gravis Power Fist with in-built Graviton Gun >Gravis Melta Cannon Troops: Tactical Squad (100p) Tactical Squad (100p) Nullificator Squad (550p) >Sergeant >Aether Shock Maul, Toxiferran Flamer, Cyber Familiar, Grenade Harness >4x Nullificators >Aether Shock Maul, Toxiferran Flamer >Dedicated Transport: Land Raider Proteus >Hull Mounted Twin-Linked Lascannon >2x Gravis Las Cannons Nullificator Squad (550p) >Sergeant >Aether Shock Maul, Toxiferran Flamer, Cyber Familiar, Grenade Harness >4x Nullificators >Aether Shock Maul, Toxiferran Flamer >Dedicated Transport: Land Raider Proteus >Hull Mounted Twin-Linked Lascannon >2x Gravis Las Cannons Tactical Support Squad (195p) >5 Legionaries >Grav Shredders >Dedicated Transport: Rhino Heavy Support: Heavy Support Squad (225p) >10 Legionaries >Volkite Culverins Land Raider Spartan (425p) >Flare Shield >2x Lascannon Destroyers >Hull Mounted Twin-Linked Lascannon Deployment is as follows: Ferrus and his squad of goons ride in the Spartan with the chaplain for that Hatred bonus. Nullificator Primuses (Primes? Primi?) ride with the Nullificators. Dreadnoughts do dreadnought things. Support Legionaries cruise around and rip into vehicles and dreads with their shredders. The Heavy Support Squad thins out infantry and can dish out some serious hurt via the legion unique reaction too. As most units have a transport I can also lean into the Outflank portion of the RoW. The tacticals will mostly sit in the backfield to enjoy the Stubborn in my deployment zone. I was thinking about leaning into some Castellax via the RoW but I just find them way too expensive given that I have no access to Cybertheurgy as a legion player. I know Nullificators are fairly expensive, but I figured I'd want some Land Raiders anyways and the Toxiferran flamers as well as Mauls might help with Gal Vorbak, Daemon Brutes as well as big squads of troopers and tacticals. The Nullificators are mostly for flavor, but I've had some success with their special ability against corrupted and daemon units as well. Right now I worry that I am a bit thin on Line units. I was thinking that, given all the land raiders and lascannons, I might shave off the Tactical support squad and bump the tacticals to 15 man each with some Apothecaries. Curious to hear what people think/what their experiences are with this RoW and any other suggestions :)

I could be wrong but wasn't there some rumor circulating that BT would get a herald/ancient type mini for their next release? I feel like I've read that somewhere. This definitely feels like a banner topper.

The way it looks to me is that each harness mount is actually two harnesses stapled together back to back i.e. its two occupants per door so that would still fit 10 guys.

Talk about the definition of a double edged sword. Transporting pods will be a lot more annoying however it does mean that the assembly process will be far less fiddly. Does make me wonder what implications this will have for the Horus Heresy Dreadclaw kit though, given that it needs a closed pod to build on.

Huh, Til. No idea how I managed to skip over that thus far.

Because Magna Combi weapon can fire their special weapon component only once whereas Minor combi weapons can use it as often as they like.

Gorgeous mini. The skulls should be easy enough to remove and I like that there's hints of the Lycean designs carved into his armor. I'm glad they went a bit more experimental than his artwork - everybody can just kitbash a plain MkVI marine into a moritat. No need to waste a release slot for that. This feels like something people will be able to also convert and kitbash with.

I guess I won't be buying into this army then. The army list is absolutely gutted. Oh well, more money for extra Mechanicum Heavy Support boxes.

What a lovely plastic update. Now if only they weren't one of the worst units in the army book. Oh well, won't hurt to paint some for the fun of it.

Don't do this to me, man. I still haven't gotten over that one.