Dagoth Ur

He's looking absolutely stellar! Very glad you had a great time painting him :)

See I'm fairly certain (I'd have to check after work) that all legion unique wargear and options require you to have the respective LA(x) rule to be able to use them (Caedere Weapons for example). Panoply of Old, at least the way I'm reading it essentially allows you to treat your Blackshields as if they had that LA for the purposes of gaining wargear ("gain access to unique wargear available to models with the Legiones Astartes (x) special rule variant noted as part of this oath."). But as I said, I'd have to check. Besides, I feel like if it genuinely constrained itself that much in terms of what you can take then it's sort of a pretty dud option.

It sort of depends where you draw the line between Wargear and Options but World Eaters are pretty solid (Chainaxes) and Imperial Fists (Solarite Powerfists, Terminator Shields and Deepstriking).

Yessir, 18" and Assault 2. I'm looking at the various Termagant weapons myself. Fleshy and tumescent - just perfect for some xenos corrupted marines.

See I'd agree in principle, but I also think @Carnivorehas a point when he says that the Oath kind of winds up doing...nothing for Characters, which does suck a bit considering we don't have an armory of our own (unless we pick an oath) and have no access to RoWs.

I am for options. If people want to play primarchs, they can. If people want to play named characters, they can. If they don't want to play named characters, they can. If they want to use named characters' rules as stand-ins for their own characters, they can. This is a collaborative game, at the end of the day. If you don't want primarchs on the board, discuss this with your opponent. This has always been the case. This also hasn't made the lore any substantially worse - every year novels and short stories are published about characters that don't have big names and a lot of them make for fun reading. I'm convinced that anyone who purports that lore nowadays is just about big names doesn't actually read any of it. I also don't understand the argument that it allegedly made the setting feel smaller. I've been managing to crank out successors/regiments/craftworlds/tomb worlds of my own just fine with all the big characters returning/appearing. I don't need limitations of my options or removals of profiles/characters to do that. But it's whatever. People can complain - I'll just continue having fun with my minis and fan fiction. What I never will be in favor of, is removal of options unless it is for the express purpose of balancing the game and even then I don't think an option should wholesale disappear. I dislike that it was Guilliman that returned, and I loathe his miniature. I still wouldn't want to deprive players who do enjoy having him in the lore, using his mini and playing with like-minded people. That just seems like the most base of childish notions "I don't like this so nobody should be able to do this!!"

Unfortunately he is right. Both Clone and Aberrant rule specify that they only apply to models that have the relevant rule AND "do not also have the Character-unit sub-type". Its quite a bit of a shame as what it means is that it does not apply to sergeants or HQs etc. I've been slowly toying with the xeno armory one. Being able to spam Xeno Deathlocks on terminators, support squads and even recon units seems fun, if potentially suicidal for the unit. Hell, terminators can take both the Deathlock and Halo blade. I'm just currently pondering what to combine it with. Maybe the veteran-focused one, that could be kinda fun if pricy.

I hope it is fine to open this thread; I figured I'd take the initiative since none of the mods have made one. If not, feel free to delete it. So yeah, the Beta Garmon book is slowly arriving in people's mailboxes and I figured we might as well discuss future projects and ideas. What Oaths are people looking at in terms of options? I definitely want to build a force of the Fangs of the Emperor and I'm thinking about going for either Panoply of Old (World Eaters) + The Broken Helix (Aberrants) to represent the rapidly induced and broken creatures Harr would funnel into the siege, or go for either of the two Oaths but with Only in Death does Duty end (feels rather fluffy). Still a bit a bit mad that we cannot take Rites of War; feels like a bit of a missed opportunity. What're people planning on doing? Any fun interactions you noticed?

What a let down.

Head's a bit naff but the rest I really, really like. Looking forward to adding him to my iron tenth.

The Big Mek is great but something about that Shield Captain is not clicking for me.

Lovely model and he looks like he should be decently easy to convert for other legions too. The sword is a bit too chaotic for me but I'll definitely slap it on a Chaos lord.

My gut instinct would be to first apply all multiplicative modifiers, then all additive ones.

He looks mean as hell, I love it.

Can people take this who deserves a character and who doesn't nonsense to another thread? It's getting real tiresome to open this thread, expecting news, only to see the same two numpty arguments being retreaded.