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It's a little underwhelming in terms of surprises, but only in the sense they're staying quite close to how Sisters worked before. There's a balancing act with getting units below half strength for the extra effects. I also like getting miracle dice for taking objectives - overall I think they'll be really fun to play

We don't know how 10th works, or any rules for dreadnoughts or Wraithlords yet. Also, most eldar armies run aspect warriors. Only really bad shrines are reapers and dragons, and thats because other things do their role better. The rest are really, really good.

It appears to be on a model by model basis

I'm all in too, the models are so nice, and at least I can pick up some bits in the meantime ready

Bit of a missed opportunity really but the new stuff is very nice - hopefully its not too difficult to gladiator up the current Terminators kit...(this is me asking if anyone's got a guide)

That's still not right. They got a points increase when DG were barely rocking a 35% win rate (almost dead last) and were one of the only competitive options. It was good for internal balance for the codex but externally the whole codex needed a points drop. Was it good for internal balance though? I tested various lists during this period and the only one that worked was still taking terminators, just I had less pts for other stuff. Overall they increased costs on the 2 units that benefit the most from this balance update - to me it's pretty obvious they had this balance update planned for some time now but for some reason (probably the eldar release) they held off releasing every change... Going back to changes for our army: I see a lot of people talking about 2 bricks of 10 blight lords and for example 2MBH in a squad for TTL. I'm trying to list build around this but I have a problem with choosing secondaries - sure you can get 15 pts from TTL but to be honest TTL nearly allways makes you have to play defensively and if you are playing defensively with your 2 big terminator bricks then how are you taking the midfield? The other problem is our crowded elite slot, which makes us have to take a vanguard detachment if we want a virion, terminators and other units. I feel that the volkite contemptor is still one of our best units in terms of dealing damage and taking one bites even more into a pretty depleted cp pool. I've come up with a list that might be interesting: Vanguard detachment, inexorable: Daemon Prince - wings, supparating plate, warlord - hulking physique. Plague Surgeon - ferric blight Tallyman - toll keeper Foul Blightspawn - arch-contaminator, viscous death, stench vats 2x10 blightlords - 2xflail, 2xreaper autocannon 1x3 deathshroud - Champ.- 2x gauntlet, reaper of glorious entropy Contemptor -2x volkite, missile launcher 1x3 chaos spawn - grandfathers influence 1x2 MBH Secondaries would be probably TTL, stranglehold and I have no idea what for the 3rd? Psychic interrogation possibly. Even though the plague doc is trash, in this list you really need your blightlords to survive and he does give them some extra chance + the healing could actually work thanks to small arms being less effective. With so few units it will be hard to spread out so you probably have to take the middle ground and try and survive with your terminators... The problem is that you start with only 2CP... Places where you can cut CP usage are probably arch-contaminator on the blightspawn and the reaper on the deathshroud. Another possible version would be to cut the DP and take a non-psychic lord - the LoC as a similiar beatstick role or the LoV for some more protection vs fliers and the small buff to ap vs non armour of contempt armies. The second change would be to chuck the spawn for 2x10 cultists and this gives us more options for secondaries - banners being the most notable, but even RND and Abhor the witch vs greyknights, 1ksons and possibly eldar (do corsairs with the psyker count as a psychic unit?). This would probably be the way to go if 1ksons and grey knights see a resurgence in the tournament scene but for me the DP has been the MVP in nearly every game I've played and it's a hard drop - miasma is also helpful to keep those terminator bricks alive. I think this looks good - I'd probably put grind as a third secondary, you're almost always going to be able to punk a unit off with the blight haulers. I've got for this as a base, left with enough points to do some chopping and changing where needed ++ Vanguard Detachment -3CP (Chaos - Death Guard) [98 PL, -1CP, 1,846pts] ++ + Stratagems + Gifts of Decay [-1CP]: Additional Relics + HQ + Death Guard Daemon Prince [8 PL, 150pts]: 5. Rotten Constitution, Hellforged sword, Suppurating Plate, Warlord + Elites + Blightlord Terminators [20 PL, 388pts] . Blightlord Champion: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter . Blightlord Terminator: Flail of corruption . Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Reaper autocannon . Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter . Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter . Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter . Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter . Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter . Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter Blightlord Terminators [20 PL, 388pts] . Blightlord Champion: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter . Blightlord Terminator: Flail of corruption . Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Reaper autocannon . Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter . Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter . Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter . Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter . Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter . Blightlord Terminator: Bubotic Axe, Combi-bolter Deathshroud Terminators [9 PL, 165pts] . Deathshroud Champion: Plaguespurt gauntlet . 2x Deathshroud Terminator: 2x Manreaper, 2x Plaguespurt gauntlet Deathshroud Terminators [9 PL, 165pts] . Deathshroud Champion: Plaguespurt gauntlet . 2x Deathshroud Terminator: 2x Manreaper, 2x Plaguespurt gauntlet Tallyman [4 PL, 70pts]: Tollkeeper + Fast Attack + Myphitic Blight-haulers [14 PL, 260pts]: Myphitic Blight-hauler, Myphitic Blight-hauler Myphitic Blight-haulers [14 PL, 260pts]: Myphitic Blight-hauler, Myphitic Blight-hauler ++ Total: [98 PL, -1CP, 1,846pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe

I think Bloody Rose are going to be the top choice again, due to their ap improvements on charges being able to punch through Marines. I used to take 20 sacs, but I think going down to ten is about right. Celestine will be seen less as she'll be so much easier to pick off, and losing 9 points to assassinate is too big a trade. There's potential to see big blocks of sisters, and Armour might be enough to get Warsuits into lists.

I think a spearhead filled with 2 big blocks of blightlords, 2 X deathshroud and 2x2 haulers is feeling very solid. Drop in a Tallyman for CP and go from there. Pick Grind, Stranglehold and TTL for secondaries.

I've seen chatter online that Custodes are going to struggle with CA 2022 due to the new secondaries, but I don't see this happening at all. We should be taking Stranglehold, Grind and an open third slot, but being able to switch off re-rolls and dump transhuman onto a small selection of units in armies for 1CP with a way to regenerate those, leaves so many CP open to turn your characters into unkillable beasts, and although the Tau are looking good and a decent threat, once you close them down you'll be able to bully them off objectives they'll have no real ability to take back. Custodes are going to be in a very good place for a while yet.

I voted for Vahl, but mostly because I saw her before the Vampires.

I'm currently using Burnt Red, Transparent Red, Bronze and Light Bronze on my Sisters, and have used Copper on my Death Guard. They're great paints, and well worth adding to your collection, especially if you do have an airbrush.

Yep, you just know if you drop Disgusting Force you'll roll a 1 for your number of shots, it's pretty much a given! This thread got me thinking about having more crawlers in my tourney list, so dropped a unit of Deathshroud and slotted a third PBC in. I think it's the right choice, but we'll see!

I love them, they're just a consistent, solid threat that takes dedicated work to remove from the board. They're great choices for To The Last as well as they can be hidden and still provide support, and can also be left on a backfield objective which can reliably be held then for a good while.

I think Tzaangors are well worth a look, 70 points for a obsec unit with 5++ isn't the worst, and frees up Rubrics for offensive work.

That was my thinking as well, pumping for Abhor seems like a no-brainer. Played against GK again last night using the above list, and it was not good - my opponent and I discussed it after and it was based on poor deployment, as i left my dreads at the front of my deployment zone in the open, and he had two pre-game moves with a GMDK and normal DK, and then grabbed first turn. Destroyed a Redemptor with shooting, which proceeded to explode, and then charged a second one and killed that as well. Some further poor deployment left my Invictors out of action for a turn, and then he brought down four strike squads and a Brother Captain in turn two. I did kill most of these, but just couldn't swing the momentum my way. It also didn't help that my dice were poor at best, and I didn't get a single Adept roll at all(!). However I do need to think about my deployment, and also work on picking the right Secondaries (chose engage, no prisoners and raise banners - once I had second turn I pulled back all of my Phobos units, making these really hard to score as he had far better board control). I'll have another tinker with the list - the right stuff is in there, so just experience with it is needed now. I've got mixed Ravenwing/Deathwing next week at my club, so will be interested to see how that plays out.