Slaanbull

Haha, so you are!

I had such a hard time understanding his first sentence, but Valrak follows artwork_of_warhammer on Instagram who in turn shared one of Mikhail Saviers' (@mikhailsavier on IG so you can see the artwork Valrak mentions) pictures a couple of days ago. I actually thought that Mikhail was done doing work for GW, don't know where I got that impression? But his earlier specifically Emperor's Children artwork is very cool, so we can hope whatever is in the works is closer rather than further away! Honestly, plastic noise marines and maybe a vehicle upgrade sprue would be everything I dare wish for. An upgrade to our codex in line with the other 9th edition books would give me much to work with for such a long time, even just the two wounds alone would rejuvenate my different lists in so many ways..! The possibility of getting a Thousand Sons equivalent upgrade for the IIIrd Legion is more than my fried neurons can handle!

You're totally right as far as the rule is written, sorry if I confused anyone. :) Our group has decided that this must be an oversight since we've had issues with mistakes and omissions in the forge world books specifically. And since there's no reason for Chaos options to be worse than imperial ones we play it so they can disembark when it lands, I should've added that to the post originally. :) Just got my backside whooped in a 2k against Death Guard with a melee focused list, some random greater possessed, discordant, noise marines and a heldrake list. Between his contagions for -1 toughness, removal of rerolls, minus to hit on key units and own rerolls I couldn't keep up on the midfield or from turn 3 and onwards. My 52 points to their 85 were mostly scored in the first turns while the DG got in position. I've decided I need more roadblocks for the next game and just hang back while weathering the plagueburst crawler shooting, instead of trying to box with a clearly superior foe..

As far as I've read online that's my take from it as well, the scene here has been totally dead and I haven't ever met another EC player so I don't have the practical experience of being on the other side. Does it all boil down to Honour the Prince that allows you to place a unit where you want it when you want it? It's probably the single strongest stratagem in my opinion. But the lists I've seen of EC are quite varied, often with daemon support, and/or terminators but also with many different builds. Is the range of builds EC can do the reason for their many placements? Because I feel that while EC can build around many units, the other legions can do many of the same singular builds the same or better. creations of bile rush, iron warrior obliterator bombs, black legion decimators etc.

Agreed on the Lord Discordant being a powerhouse, I play EC so in the larger games I can have two of them rerolling charges plus other bonuses from Elixir, Raiment Revulsive and the S + A warlord trait. While I've bemoaned our rules and eargerly await 2 wounds and other bonuses it is hard for me to complain over the codex without my gaming buddies rolling their eyes. 9th has for me though been a greater success than earlier edition and I regularly see myself trying to ease down my lists to have a better game. My usual opponents (a close group that has been able to play games at home the last half year) have been DG (new codex), White Scars, Admech, Orks, Harlequins, Tyranids, Chaos Knights and T'au in a mix of 2000, 1000 and 500 pts games. So there's a good mix of 'good' factions and codexes with as many problems (if not more in case of tyranids) as us. For the small games, the Master of Executions reins supreme with units of single obliterators, saving me the usual CPs spent on veterans and double shoot for much more reliability in honour the prince, rerolls and tactical reserves. For the bigger (and more competetive) 2k games I took 4 wins in a small tourney of six players, everybody played against each other for a weekend. I brought a very gimmicky list of 20 noise marines in the kharybdis assault claw and the dark apostle reroll wounds relic, being able to reserve them if I didn't go first amounted to tremendous damage no matter how severe my losses were the first turn. Rest of the points were spent on cultists, two discordants and some venomcrawlers. I think we are in an alright spot right now, although it's easy to focus on the new books and their obvious difference in tools and rules. There's an innate bonus in having no updates for a while, because it amounts to the player being extremely intimate with their rules, I've only played EC CSM for five years now which really consolidates my expectations of specific units and stratagems, allowing for better predictions of their performance during a game. I've tried for a while to move out of my old playstyle of reroll one auras and the like, and have had a lot of fun with unsupported close combat noise marines for their many attacks (2 base like the chosen). So for the most part I'm switching out my old chaos lords and daemon princes for characters who don't need to babysit units so all my things work in a vacuum, giving everything the option of moving independently and changing up the gameplan depending on what happens. :) I haven't found the loss of rerolls or prescience to really impact my units, allowing me to field more small units that in turn don't soak up all the CP for support stratagems. That being said, when I happen to field a 10 man noise squad they still eat 4-5 CP every single turn.

I think it's more funny that so many vehemently deny his continued link to the EC since short stories (Prodigal, Repairer of Ruin) and novels (The two first installments of the Fabius triology from Josh Reynolds) revolving around him has Fabius dealing with Emperor's Children warbands, either with his blessing or against his will. He might not operate as an EC, but his past seems to catch up with him at every opportunity, and Fabius has several EC marines in his consortium (as well as renegades and legionaires from several other warbands), and a full group of Noise Marines under his command in the latest Josh Reyknolds books. He even appears a lot in the Lucius: The Faultless Blade book which clearly is an EC centred book. It is quite apparant to me that Fabius' dealings with his former legion aren't over. Of course he might not have the keyword, or appear in a Slaanesh supplement, but denying that his prescence could easily tie into the alluded EC arc that has appeared as snippets in the other Psychic Awakening books seems like denying an obvious connection. I just think that people focus way too much on Fabius severing himself from the main part of the 3rd Legion, since until the recent possibility of a Fulgrim release, a Legion that is infamous for its fracture and split into several independent warbands.

A harness isn't unique to him, but the Chirurgeon certainly is! That being said, the third installation in the Fabius Bile series by Josh Reynolds should be around the corner, so it might just be a fluff note that ties into the related interests. War of the Spider could include Harlequins if we go with the webway idea, they fit in with Necrons as well, and Fabius has dealt with both, so it could be a possibe line-up for an installment? :)

No, they are supplied with 50mm bases. :)

I'd rather have had a points drop on the sonic blasters as well, but my helbrute welcomes the change! 104 points for a helbrute with two blastmasters and a missile launcher, he is a mainstay in my lists and always gets the job done doublefiring at the closest unit, sometimes I clear out another unit first, most of the time he just switches the weapons profiles to suit the target. :) 186 for 10 noise marines with 8 Sonic Blasters, 2 Blastmasters and a Doom Siren is great as well, I usually run three squads like this, now I'm looking at trying to run an EC brigade with noise marines and blastmaster helbrutes

Oh most definitely, I don't expect any other models than the teased sorceror for this release. No matter, no rush, I haven't used my Noise Marines on the table ever since I accidentaly compared them to an opponents assault bolter intercessors.. ;) Can't find my copy of Traitor Legion supplement, do we have a list of the relics in that book?

Lots of good ideas around here, some of my hobby mates dislike discussing rumours as they feel it ends up being better/cooler than the reality. What I feel is a missed opportunity with Chaos Space Marines, and the new havocs for example, is a way to differentiate them from loyalists on the squad level. I don't understand why a havoc champion would go unarmed, he should have the biggest gun of the five! A devastator sergeant gives his squad buffs with the auspex etc, a havoc champion should be molded by the warp and have daemomic emergies coarsing through his body, melding him with the reaper chaincannon. I've looked with envy on the exarch rules and would love to be able to have cool aspiring champions with special rules, 2 wounds like nobs etc, more options for icons. I always imagine a large CSM army to look like a host with multiple banners, standards, icons, infantry rallying around aspiring champions of the dark gods. Having greater possessed in the elite slot goes a long way, but as said by someone earlier, having characters fix subpar units instead of fixing the unit in question does no good. My dream for the codex would be more stratagems and options using marks, ways to upgrade squads to veterans and differentiate/specialize them. :) I expected the PA2 book to update legion traits, as well as adding stratagems and a small monolegion bonus (like combat drugs for EC from the traitor legions supplement in late 7th). I don't hope for that anymore. As long as we get plastic noise marines I don't really care about the rules though. ;)

New unit entries from Shadowspear and Vigilus Ablaze, none of the new renegade traits, relics etc, Black Legion updates. Seems like they left out the Shadowspear Warlord traits as well. No changes to existing stuff other than that. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Looking forward to hearing some more about the supplement come november, been having a hard time customising as much as my imperial playing buddies. :) Would be cool if they add a simple daemonic weapon addition just like how mastercrafted weapons work?

Aw man, I was hoping for my Emperors Children vehicles to gain something, let's hope it's not completely true. :)