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Lamenters chapter master complete! http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w371/Brendanguilford/44CA2BD2-3E54-49C9-8120-25305CCE8FB9_zpsunk7zwwc.jpg http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w371/Brendanguilford/361381E8-8561-4D8D-B5C0-F54B0906B0D0_zps1jxb1qpk.jpg http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w371/Brendanguilford/67D1D5F2-307B-47EA-9421-BFCA04B761DB_zpsmsrsyfbz.jpg The power weapon is meant to represent Victory’s Price, the power weapon that brings victory but also the likely death of the bearer. The scrolls wrapped around the polearm are my first attempt at greenstuff “sculpting.”

The Minotaurs were given carte blanche permission to loot. They even took one of the Lamenters two battle barges. I’ll try to find the reference and amend my statement if I’m exaggerating.

What I wrote previously was my take on why the Lamenters would not have many, or any, of certain units. We all operate with a certain amount of 'headcanon' though, and that is one of the true strengths of the hobby - the room to tell your own stories. I disagree with Leonaides' rationale about Sanguinary Guard because what little Lamenters fluff that exists suggest that the chapter was devastated and pillaged at the end of their participation in the Babad war. Then the chapter was forced into a penitence crusade, immediately following several years of mass imprisonment. These don't seem like circumstances where things like Sanguinary Guard armour (which is fancier-than artificer armour, Angelus bolters and Encarmine swords) could be easily produced or replenished. Could such materiel have been made in the quiet moments of the 100-year crusade? Sure, I guess? I am not familiar enough with the nitty-gritty of how long or complicated it takes to make power armour into artificer armour. Or how to produce the rare weapons or special jump packs or death masks. My impression was that such undertakings are/were difficult and uh... time-consuming. Otherwise, wouldn't every single marine be rockin' out in this kit? For that matter, how would the remaining sons of the chapter acquire the knowledge, let alone the ingredients. They aren't Forge World Magos. Knowledge is the most rare commodity in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium. A final quibble: Azkaellon made certain that the Sanguinary Guard legacy of the Blood Angels Legion was extended to every successor that arose from the dissolution of the IX Legion. For the record, the known 2nd Founding Blood Angels successor chapters are: Angels Vermillion, Angels Encarmine, Angels Sanguine, Blood Drinkers and the Flesh Tearers. Are the Lamenters a Blood Angels successor that arose from the dissolution of the IX Legion? They were created by the Imperium in 991.M35. I suppose you could say that *every* successor indirectly sprung from the IX Legion. I don't really buy that argument.

These gents have baby arms.

How to keep it “fluffy” for the Lamenters in 8th Edition? Troops Scouts have always been the biggest sticking point to me in the struggle between playability and adhering to what the “fluff” has told us about the Lamenters Chapter. We know that in approximately 912.M41 the chapter was sentenced to their 100-year penitence crusade. Also known is that as a part of that punishment, the Lamenters could not take on any new recruits to replace their losses. This does not forbid the elevation of current scouts to full battle-brother status. It seems likely that the chapter would have promoted most, if not all, of their 10th company to a battle company immediately (they had only 311 surviving battle brothers at the onset of the crusade.) So, in my mind, a “fluffy” Lamenters army prior to the timeline advancement would, in theory, have most units available to Blood Angels successor chapters, but not scouts. Fast Attack 8th Edition Blood Angels lists have really taken a step backward in the Fast Attack (FA) unit type. Assault Marines, formerly the backbone of many Blood Angels Codex lists, are now mostly absent. This is a little unfortunate for the fluffy Lamenters player, as the chapter is specifically described as favoring “shock assault tactics.” As the chapter is relatively poor in materiel, combatants and experience, it would seem more fluffy for an army list to have Assault Marines, instead of Vanguard Veterans. A lot of recent lists are using Tarantulas, a Forge World (FW) unit, to fill those FA unit slots for Brigade-sized detachments. Tarantulas don't seem "shock assault" to me, despite being a great unit for the game, generally. The other FA choices have their supporters: Bike Squads, Land Speeders and Primaris Interceptors. Also available is the Land Speeder Tempest, again thanks to FW. The fluff in the Blood Angels Codex, 8th Edition shows that the Lamenters Chapter A) still exists, and B) has taken on Primaris Marines. So, all of these game choices are supported, (or are not disapproved of), by previously published Games Workshop written works. [Aside: I’m curious to see how other Lamenters fans are incorporating the 8th Edition change in Company and Squad markings into their versions of the Lamenters chapter. I never committed to the half-baked FW livery, so I could paint up my whole chapter to reflect the most-recent rendition of the Lamenters’ unit designation scheme. We don't have a complete key though, only one Company's color has been shown - the 4th Company.] Elites Fluff written prior to the Blood Angels Codex, 8th Edition stated that the Lamenters chapter had not experienced the Black Rage “until recently.” (See: IA9.1) Death Company (DC) units would not have been very fluffy, unless you’re focusing on a narrow band of time for the chapter, and keeping the DC unit rather small. But now that the Lamenters have manifested the flaw, DC is IN. Sanguinary Guard units don't seem very fluffy. These suits of power armour are the *most* rare – priceless pieces of war as art. The Blood Angels had 27(?) of these guys, in total - before Hive Fleet Kraken hit Baal. Unless the Lamenters somehow made these suits in their down-time, I don’t think they make sense pre- or post- 8th Edition. Similar arguments for Terminator armour are obvious. We know the Chapter can claim at least one Dreadnought: Chyron, lately of the Deathwatch Kill-Team “Talon.” We also have an illustration from IA9.1 of an unnamed Lamenters Furioso dreadnought. I think it is a *real* stretch to display the chapter with a Contemptor dreadnought, but man are they cool. Flyers This is where some deviation from the ‘norm’ makes the most sense. We know that the Lamenters use a lot of flying vehicles, and boast an above-average interstellar fleet size due to being fleet-based. It is completely fluffy to have Stormhawk Interceptors, Storm Ravens, Storm Talons, and even Thunderhawks of both varieties. The capstone project for my Lamenters army will be a Thunderhawk Transporter. (Someday…) These are just my interpretations, and I would love to hear other interested people’s opinions. Thanks for reading my thoughts!

In all seriousness, I thought this was a thread about warhammer-themed soup, and I was very interested. I don't really mix armies.

Thanks Lord_Caerolion, I appreciate the encouragement. I am probably going to use an Encarmine Sword bit from the Sanguinary Guard kit. The chapter master of the Lamenters carries a power weapon called the "Glaive Encarmine" and an Inferno pistol. A glaive is a long-handled long sword basically, so the swords from the Sang. Guard are a pretty good fit. I'd be open to suggestions though! I have been magnetizing the arms and backs of every close-combat miniature since 8th edition was released. So, I will also paint up a thunder hammer, storm shield and jump pack for this unit - gotta have that smashy captain everyone loves. Thanks again for the kind feedback!

An actual work-in-progress, my take on Malakim Phoros, or at least a Lamenters chapter master. I did not follow the fluff description of golden armour, because I did not want to. http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w371/Brendanguilford/2F6349E4-15E8-45C5-B9E4-1BA26FB2B769_zpshh7upy8d.jpg

You'll be the only one at your hobby shop with a Raptors force (probably?) Every newbie to the hobby starts with Dark Angels.

My first WIP is a bit odd, and I’m starting this log a great deal more than half-way through my original intended project. I’ve restarted painting after a complete separation from the hobby since September. I have an overdue RTS pledge to honor, but here are my first efforts. Finishing out my remaining CCW scouts. I don’t like the plastic sculpts, so eBay is in my future considering the new scout-friendly 8th edition. http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w371/Brendanguilford/0B920D61-D140-4AB5-BFBE-D2F986C33C46_zpszjb0st2s.jpg Part of the RTS vow, a FW Assault Cannon turret. http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w371/Brendanguilford/C8058FB7-7E38-434C-8DCF-36D92AAD1684_zpsvlfquxsz.jpg

I would like a place to put my musings about the Lamenters chapter, and the works-in-progress of my Lamenters army. Without further introductory remarks: First Lamentations on Blood Angels Codex, 8th Edition Only last night (January 29, 2018) did I purchase and read a copy of the “new” Blood Angels codex. I immediately skipped to “Successor Chapters” and was happily surprised to see that the Lamenters had re-entered the Blood Angels textbook as more than a throw-away sentence (E.g. Blood Angels Codex, 7th Edition). The Lamenters again enjoy the same short-shrift as the other ‘famous’ successor sons of Sanguinius: the Flesh Tearers (duh), Angels Encarmine, Angels Sanguine, Carmine Blades, Angels Vermillion, and Blood Drinkers. The Knights of the Chalice, a “purely Primaris” chapter are now listed for marketing reasons, surely. The Knights of Blood have again been omitted, which is unfortunate. What is NOTABLE with all capital letters is the tone of the two paragraph description of the Lamenters chapter. The blurb: That is some optimistic stuff! I’ve never personally read anything about the Lamenters that isn’t tinged with A) Boo-Hoo Sadness; and B) Ominous Foreboding. As I own a physical copy of everything previously published mentioning the Lamenters, I believe this to be a first. In the past, Lamenters fluff has always spoken about the future as either non-existent or EVEN WORSE than the present trashy circumstances. So, we’re definitely seeing a shift in outlook for the chapter. Could this be sloppy continuity or rushed space filling? Possibly! It is also perhaps, a possible ending of one thing that made Lamenters unique: their over-the-top pathos. It was hard to be the MOST SAD in a fictional universe comprised chiefly of suffering, but our Boys in Mustard did it. N.B.: I will say for the record that I have offered Games Workshop the exclusive opportunity to hire me to write all of their Lamenters-related material and have (shockingly) been rebuffed; if the tonal change is accidental, fault lays squarely on their shoulders. The blurb is also technically inaccurate - the best kind of inaccurate. Imperial Armour Vol. 9 states that the Lamenters were reduced to approximately 200 brothers during the Siege of Corillia in M38, as a defender against the Ninth Black Crusade. The ill-conceived participation in the Badab War cost the chapter over 500 battle brothers, and the resulting Penitence Crusade cost them an undisclosed additional number of casualties. So, it is true that the chapter has nearly been wiped out twice, but wrong to state that the Hive Fleet Kraken imbroglio was a separate cause of near-extinction. They were almost dead already, thank you very much! The Chapter has also suffered a decimation (10% or greater total casualties) on at least one other occasion, when over 200 battle brothers were killed liberating the human slave population of Slaughterhouse III from WAAAGH! Skargor as a part of the Corinthian Crusade in 701.M41 (see: IA9.1).

I love your work. Please continue to post.

Revolting; not surprising. Sadly, there will always be apologists who blame the "Alex" person. Rules are Rules... man! He said, chicken tenders heavy on his breath. Glad to hear sportsmanship is still alive in this lowest-of-stakes endeavor.