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They look stunning, well done!

thats better then expected. What about crusader squad? 215 for a LRC + 40 + ( i think 20x2 for hurricane bolter) + mm?.. EDIT: 15/14 Initiates / Neophytes. at least not more expensive then tacticals and scouts. LRC 215 Hurricane Bolter 15 each T.Assault Cannon 40 Total of 285, before was 264

Helbrecht's +1S was only useful for Centurions in 8th against T6 opponents, because it applied before their x2 from the weapons - so they ended up as S12 and therefore wounding T6 on 2+. In 9th the +1 applies after the x2, which would make them S11 - wounding T6 on 3+. So now for Centurions the +1S is useless (unless you go up against much T11!) - much better for the Crusaders who then wound MEQ on 3+. And I thought Relics had to be given to a unit with the character keyword? So not a LRC? Edit: Thinking more widely about Helbrecht's +1S, I guess that could be pretty handy with Bladeguard making them S6 - suddenly T5 enemies are quaking in their boots. Thanks for clarifying the Helbrecht's +1 I wouldn't have noticed, not into buying Primaris troops at this point though. By "giving the LRC the Shroud" I meant giving it to the character inside thinking it would affect the LRC even if embarked, but then it can't be given to named characters anyways. Edit: Btw since we're here, reading through the Litanies they start with "if the Litany is inspiring..." do I have to roll for them like Psychic powers or just pick them? Nothing in the rule book about it.

Thanks for the inputs here, still trying to piece together all the changes since vanilla 8th and still confused Didn't even know about all the stuff under the "Angels of Death" keyword... I think a couple of drop pods on T1 could draw the right unit's attention as they have 8W 6T and it's good bait too as I know where capable units will go even before the game starts So let's say I keep the 2 LRC's with Centurions and Crusaders, which HQ would you put in each? Am I right in thinking that Helbrecht would make the Crusaders decent and the +1S on the Centurions isn't that big? From what I read Grimaldus is pretty decent now, would that be enough for the Centurions? Just read about the Relics, wanted to give the LRC the Shroud but then can't assign them to characters, suggestions?

Ultramarines...I'll burn some oils and pray for you brother.

Wouldnt this size of crusader squad make you have 10 neophytes and one 9 initiates, because one of them is now automatically a sword brother? That would get rid of the special paired up rule for the neophytes until at least one neo dies (which I guess would happen on the way to the target anyways, so might not be a big deal). Would a 19 man squad with one less neo be a better choice? (This is a legit question, as I haven't been able to play a game of 40k since 8the came out.) That's true but if I deploy 20 models I'll probably lose some to make it even as they'll walk up, but I don't need to make such large squads if they don't make sense. Was thinking of putting 15 of them in the other LRC with Helbrecht as a troop/horde killer? +1S and reroll hits could make them worth it but then the clear target will be the Centurions in the other LRC and I'd like to make it hard to choose which one to take down but then I've got only Termis as an alternative. As for making use of the minimum 3 troop choices I like the Pods idea from HighMarshalAmp, could but 4 Crusaders with Bolters each and SB with S.Bolter plus the one on the Pod and drop both on objectives. Nothing much but cheap and tactically sound imo, digs out the enemy early on to take on the threat.

Hail brothers! I've been busy painting the units you suggested to complement my force which are Assault Centurions and Redemptor Dreadnought, and now that I've finished the Centurions in our glorious colours I kinda like them so will get another set to make a 5 man squad! Painting got me thinking about how to use what I have now that we got the rules and will probably use Faith and Fury for a while, I'm specifically looking at using 2x LRCs and Crusader squads and not be a total waste of points or auto-loss. What I think I should deploy so far: -As you suggested the Centurions (flamers and storm go in 1 LRC with a Character (AA + 0/-1 AP volume) -Stormhawk Interceptor with AA options, 1 ground and 1 air (AA + 0/-1 AP volume) -Redemptor with Plasma, Storm Bolters and Gatling cannon (AA platform) -Ven Dred with twin Las and fist around Redemptor with Cap or Leut around (AA platform) So that I think it's enough punch to blow up stuff right? also varied and hard to prioritize for the enemy as it's going to be all over the table. As of other options: -I can put together up to 2x 20 man Crusader sq with Chainswords, I also have a variety of Bolters, Heavies and Specials on top but rather leave that to vehicles... -Assault Termis and Jump Vets both 5 man with 3xHammers+Shield and 2x Claws -All Characters, Apothecary, Standard Bearer, regular Chaplain and Techmarine plus a Termi Cap to paint and could model a Leut. -1 more LRC, 2x Rhino/Razor, 2x Pods -Thunderfire Cannon with own Techmarine. -Predator w/ Las How would you play with these units? Which Characters go with what and which relics to take? Not looking to play tournaments but I'd like to play for more than a round each time Thanks.

You think? So far we've seen generic SM models and I'd think they'll start with Ultras characters first and then a pretty slow trickle down the line, not to mention all of the chapter specific transports and such which is also a big unknown...will they keep the whole line generic apart from characters? Still not buying primaris myself, just got a Redemptor as it doesn't really disrupt the army scale but should they keep a generic look I'll look into something else as it's not grim dark enough for a BT side imo.

Thanks, can't find the book and couldn't check, will model him with an helmet!

Just a quick question brothers, was the standard bearer in the Grimaldus team described as not wearing an helmet?

Or an FAQ to bring the Crusader Squad cost into conformity with the rest of the SM units. I hope they planned it the way it is and meant to give us cheaper marines because with the point increase was going to be rough to include Crusade squads in a list.

Which book is it from? Never mind got it, last book I have was the 1st 8th codex and was all together. So until they redo the recent supplement or faq we still use Faith and Fury right?

Scans of SM points have been leaked and there's no Crusader squads there?

What do you mean by multipart kits having more options brother?

Yeah it's not great. Would like to see Righteous Zeal make a comeback maybe...! What units would you use that T1 charge combo with then? Could use a cheap 20 man squad in a line to limit the movement of plenty enemy units?