Chris186 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 So, I was wondering why there has been no HH book on the corruption of the Word Bearers and specifically Erebus, i would have thought this would make a perfect book, but all i know is that the Word Bearers seemed to be have been the first legion to fall to chaos, but we dont know why ( or at least i dont :cuss ) i havent read Battle for the Abyss yet, but from what ive heard this isnt addressed in it, its a bit weird that what seems to be the spark for the entire Heresy has been relatively overlooked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0NEW0LF Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 as explained in other threads :cuss quick synopsis.... the emperor reprimanded Lorgar and his legion for Worshiping him as a god, Lorgar goes off, sulks and finds something willing to be Worshiped (chaos gods) lorgar sends Erebus of to "turn" Horus. (hey i said it was short ;)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris186 Posted September 17, 2008 Author Share Posted September 17, 2008 yh, i kind of knew that, i was more wondering why this hasnt been explained either in a book of its own or been mentioned in a side story either at the end of Horus Rising or somewhere during False Gods, wouldnt take more than a chapter or two and would clarify a few things for those of us not ITK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravingbantha Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 because they write a chapter or two on it, and then it would most likely raise other questions like this, then they would have to write more and more. Sometimes it's more artistic to not show (or tell everything) you readers get more out of it. I think it's more fun to have some things left out, lets the imagination run wild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moranimal Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 You know, of all the guys I wanted to see perish during the HH, Erebus was number one on the list. Unfortunately for me ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon Bane Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 You know, of all the guys I wanted to see perish during the HH, Erebus was number one on the list. Unfortunately for me ... He's alive and still causing all kinds of pain into the middle of the 41st at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eirik_Xenobane Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 In Eisienstien it was suggested that Erebus got to Typhon aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftWingFascist Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 i was under the impression that kor phaeron turned lorgar and typhon was already a devout of chaos when mortarion was turned im not sure about the rest of the legions but i thought that there was some devout of chaos high up in every legion before the books i thought it was abbadon who nudged horus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eirik_Xenobane Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 i was under the impression that kor phaeron turned lorgar and typhon was already a devout of chaos when mortarion was turned im not sure about the rest of the legions but i thought that there was some devout of chaos high up in every legion before the books i thought it was abbadon who nudged horus We have a problem with two sets of fluff. In the Index astartes series, Typhon was corrupted from the start and was actualy a Librarian of the Death Guard and not 1st Captain. The Horus heresy books, based on the fluff produced for the horus heresy CCG has Typhon as 1st Captain of the Deathguard and in esienstien suggests Erebus turned him yo chaos. There are a fair few of these contradicitions so it's confusing which to go for as far as 'canon' is concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Well, Kor Phaeron was the one who gave the "suggestion" about the Chaos Gods to Lorgar. Erebus as said tho is the one believed to walk around and converge the corruption to the other legions as Lorgars "messenger". TDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dammeron Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 I would certainly like to see a character based novel akin to the earlier HH books in which The Word Bearer's activities BEFORE their corruption are detailed along with the events that surrounded his eventual reprimanding by the Big E. There's plenty of scope for elaboration in the Index Astartes article's descriptions of Lorgar's fleet staying becalmed and inactive whilst the Primarch sealed himself in his quarters, flagellating himself and basically throwing a primarch scale hissy fit. Was it at this point, for example, that he called out into the Warp, or just begged for answers from the unknown, and got a reply? Or was someone tending to him during ths time? Maybe his chief advisors Erebus and Kor Phaeron? It could be very, very interesting indeed: What was that stink? Why did he torture himself with questions to which he already knew the answers?; It was the stink of abjection, of failure and despair. He had tried, hadn't he? He had fought so hard to please the one he called Father and Saviour, yet what had his efforts earned him? Censure and rejection! He shook his head, clawing at the ritually scarred flesh of his cheeks as the memories resurfaced: "You purpose is to fight, Lorgar. You are my weapon, my sword; not my holy writ. Humanity has...evolved, my son. It is no longer slave to faith and superstition. Though it will pain you, it is time that you too threw off these shackles." Shackles? What was humanity, what was any species without faith? Was it not faith that drove his Father's endeavours throughout the galaxy, that was the very foundation of his expanding empire? No, regardless of what his Father proclaimed, faith could not be so blithely thrown aside. Rising, Lorgar cast sunken, haunted eyes about his personal chambers. The room had once been his refuge; a private temple personally raised in honour of His Father. Now it was a ruin, the icons torn down and shattered, the altar smashed by a single blow of his own fist. Walls that could withstand mortar rounds were buckled and dented from the violence he'd inflicted upon them, and stained with his blood. Though he had difficulty recalling it clearly, there'd been fire at one point, an evil flame into which he'd stared unblinking, inviting it to rise and lick out his eyes, to burn this shadow of shame and confusion from his mind. The fire had not obliged. Striding to the pile of ashes that were all that remained of the many hundreds of psalms and epistles he had personally penned in reflection upon his Father's might, he knelt and scooped up a handful of the refuse. Watching trails of it seep between his massive fingers, he reflected upon the score of worlds his legion had reduced to much the same, civilisations that spanned star systems put to the torch for the heresy of refusing to accept The Emperor's sovreignty. And he'd never doubted, not for a second, the ineffable rightness of it. But he did now. His wounds, self inflicted during the long hours of his rage, stung as he ground the ashes into them. His supernatural metabolism had begun healing the hurts almost as soon as they were inflicted. It'd taken a great deal of effort on his part to ensure that they remained open, and bleeding. "Help me..." He whispered, tears coming as his Father's face rose in the dark behind his eyes. There'd been such love from that face at one time, such adoration that Lorgar felt he might burst with the surfeit of it. Now he felt nothing but the cold slime of contempt seeping into him, polluting him from skin to soul. "Help me!" As if in answer, the face's beauty, its sculpted, statuesque perfection, began to wither, cheeks shrinking and splitting, eyes sinking, raven hair slithering out in filth matted clumps. Soon what was left was little more than a corpse, its filth-caked grin seeming to mock him for his theatrics. "Is this what you call a God?" It was the voice of his own thoughts, the voice of his faith, distorted as if filtered through a malfunctioning comm-link. "Would you offer up your prayers to a corpse?" "No!" He roared, rising from his squat and driving his head into a nearby pillar, again and again and again, until the vile vision shattered. A red, liquid curtain closed over his field of vision, his faith's ruins stained the colour of slaughter. "Look to the ashes and the flames, Lorgar. There is more truth there than He has ever conceived of..." What was that? A flicker of flame amidst the ashes, an ember of his rage not yet completely darkened? Sweeping the blood from his eyes, Lorgar stumbled towards the rising column of smoke, casting about at the faint whispers that seemed to echo in the chamber's shadows.... Or something like that :P . A little rough maybe, but I was just typing this on the fly as an example of what MIGHT be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ensis Ferrae Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 maybe in that book you are proposing, there should be a scene of Lorgar having an argument with someone in his room, and some outside character has a meeting and hears this before entering the room... and only sees the primarch staring at a painting..... err, wait.. nvm that was done :P really, there are so many story lines that should be brought out in the HH... the best way, in my mind to show the "fall" of the word bearers, is to showcase the campaigns that led up to the Emperors reprimand. maybe the climax scene could be lorgar's first communique with the booming invisible voice of some chaos god. they need to have some stuff about the RG in the heresy (both before and after istvaan....more than just getting massacred) of course, some stuff that revolves around prospero.... (perhaps that could be tied in with Lorgar somehow, id bet GW would have no problem with Magnus fiddling around and tricking lorgar, or other primarchs thru the warp or something.... im sure that the E would ahve a problem with practical jokes thru the warp, as thats all magnus really wanted, was a good practical joke B)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 a good piece of fluff that could be expanded concerning the RG is Corax's decision to "fast-track" that Marine creation process. this book could follow COrax through the events just after the Siege of Terra, giving us a sideways look into the loyalist primarch reactions to the Codex Astartes, and a real reason why he disapeered. i like the idea for the word bearers, especially the ending. but instead of having the booming chaos voice, have the Emperor reprimand Lograr in person, and upon his departure a small voice beckons Lograr, promising him wat the Emperor denied. we all know the rest. wolf lord kieran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-chaplain Astador Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 I'm sure there will be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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