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I did a quick pic capture of the new Primaris Lieutenant, seems many people want to have a closer look at him

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and for what it is worth, various angles, crops, cuts and pastes

 

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So with Abaddon, my questions are more fluffy. I remember ADB being unsure about continuing his Black Legion series due to how the studio treats Abaddon. Is he going to continue to be the subject of the Pantheon's attentions without submitting to their ambitions like his gene-father, or will he become a new Horus, full of dark energy but also puppeted by the gods to their own desires? The model looks fab; but I really hope the studio follows what Aaron has been doing in his writing. 

 

Further, can GW finally make even more explicit that the Black Legion isn't the continuation of the Sons of Horus, but rather something else. I am so very fed up with fan wiki pages, inc Lexicanum and Wikia 40K, putting Sons of Horus and Black Legion as the same organisation on the same. It's amazing how both have not yet managed to seperate X from Y, leaving an odd situation where Horus is claimed to be part of the BL on the wikia by dint of inclusion as primarch of the Sons (even though the BL is a rejection of Horus and every other primarch), or even loyalists like Garviel Loken are included in a Black Legion page. Madness. The two legions are separate. A law firm founded by the partners of an old firm is still very much a new firm; a republic founded from the ashes of a tyranny is a new state.


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Just realised, they're gone pretty old school on Drach'nyen. There have been a handful of slight updates/changes in some of the more recent illustrations of the sword - usually to remove, minimise or obscure the frowny face on the hilt - but this is very close to the metal model equivalent. Drach'nyen's still grumpy.


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So with Abaddon, my questions are more fluffy. I remember ADB being unsure about continuing his Black Legion series due to how the studio treats Abaddon. Is he going to continue to be the subject of the Pantheon's attentions without submitting to their ambitions like his gene-father, or will he become a new Horus, full of dark energy but also puppeted by the gods to their own desires? The model looks fab; but I really hope the studio follows what Aaron has been doing in his writing. 

 

Further, can GW finally make even more explicit that the Black Legion isn't the continuation of the Sons of Horus, but rather something else. I am so very fed up with fan wiki pages, inc Lexicanum and Wikia 40K, putting Sons of Horus and Black Legion as the same organisation on the same. It's amazing how both have not yet managed to seperate X from Y, leaving an odd situation where Horus is claimed to be part of the BL on the wikia by dint of inclusion as primarch of the Sons (even though the BL is a rejection of Horus and every other primarch), or even loyalists like Garviel Loken are included in a Black Legion page. Madness. The two legions are separate. A law firm founded by the partners of an old firm is still very much a new firm; a republic founded from the ashes of a tyranny is a new state.

 

 

ADB is apparently going to continue the Black Legion series. He's said as much on Reddit and a few other places. That means, logically, that BL/GW has assuaged his concerns as to the direction of Abaddon's character, which was definitively a concern for a while. I think the fact that we're not seeing some Age of Sigmar style Daemon Prince with 4 heads and 17 topknots says as much. I can't speak for him of course, but that's my understanding. I think we're in safe hands.

 

As for the latter point, it's not really GW's fault. From the perspective of the Imperium - and therefore your average codex publication - the Black Legion are the Sons of Horus. They are the Black Sixteenth, Horus' sons returned. Those wiki and lexicanum pages are typically made by people that aren't fully aware of all the various publications. I don't mind it being the way it is. Read a codex, and you get the in-universe perspective; read ADB's novels, and you realise that there's far more to it than the Sons of Horus simply repainting themselves in Justaerin colours and continuing their old war. Who cares if a bunch of people on the internet have it wrong? The reality is far more complex and far more interesting.


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From Black Legion 2nd novel ADB still make it clear most basic legionaries are made up of Sons of Horus from Maeleum. I am sure a lot of them still held to the SoH traditions while being folded in the Black Legion.

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Thinking back, this has to be in my top 3 GW announcements. The quality of the models is superb. The only times I might have been more excited would've been the announcement about 8th and the Castellan Knight. I want more pictures, I want to see the new rules, and I want to get my hands on those!

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Thinking back, this has to be in my top 3 GW announcements. The quality of the models is superb. The only times I might have been more excited would've been the announcement about 8th and the Castellan Knight. I want more pictures, I want to see the new rules, and I want to get my hands on those!

 

Model wise i agree but style points I think this one was #1.  That Abby video sealed it.


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GW's self awareness with the Abbadon video is what sealed it for me. I'm not a chaos player and don't think I ever will be but the humor and way they delivered that video was perfect.


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Love that new Primaris Lieutenant!

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Abaddon looks pretty neat too!


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Alright, so now that we have a proper thread just for the big boy, I'll say this: He absolutely donned that cape to hide the hole on his back Celestine made in Cadia. :P


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Loving how big the Talon of Horus is looking, and well everything else about this. Suspect that Black Legion army I've wanted to do since reading the ADB books may well end up happening much sooner than i'd planned...


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So y'all reckon he's getting new rules when the model drops? He looks significantly bigger so I assume he'll get better but there's also no way I can see him getting more than 9 wounds



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So y'all reckon he's getting new rules when the model drops? He looks significantly bigger so I assume he'll get better but there's also no way I can see him getting more than 9 wounds

 

Absolutely, I really think he'll be between Calgar and Guilleman if not on par with him straight up.



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Looking great so far though I expected no less. A minor gripe is the Primaris Marine on the base, gonna have to remove that if I want to use him in historic/alt 40K but otherwise no complaints.

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Hope so, cause honestly his current rules are Meh at best...

 

Then again for me everything seems Meh rules wise since 8th Dropped, one of the reasons why i've still haven't played a single game of 8th since it was released...( that and the ridiculous Primaris and Primarchs revival Neofluff, the Train wreck that was the 13th Black Crusade book, and the fact that i'm still stuck with 25yro models for Zerkers and that i litteraly see no appeal to play my World eaters in the current rules set...)


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I hope one of his weapons ignores/worsens invul saves. Too many things (especially with super cheap stormshields) have a 3++ now. I'd feel terrible if my models tanked attacks from the talon of horus :P

Any guesses to how big the base he's standing on is? Someone could probably extrapolate from the primaris LT



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Abaddon is going to be 1.5 heads taller than Primaris MArenus calgar.

 

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1.5 heads shorter than guilliman, his model is gonna be daunting.


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Can this go on my "correct rumor" pile?

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I really hope he still has the Nid head trophy. I remember when the model first came out as a kid and the idea of a non-human trophy blew my mind. It also ties him into some old lore.



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I hope one of his weapons ignores/worsens invul saves. Too many things (especially with super cheap stormshields) have a 3++ now. I'd feel terrible if my models tanked attacks from the talon of horus tongue.png

Any guesses to how big the base he's standing on is? Someone could probably extrapolate from the primaris LT

 

I mean Drach'nyen rends reality, I could see the sword dealing straight mortals while the talon being a chaff clearing weapon. Would be sweet.

 

...but im not going to lose sleep if my WG dont get vaporized at a glance. whistling.gif


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Yeah you'd think that a weapon that as the reputation to Slash the litteral veil between the material univers and the Warp, would be better then just a -3/-4 AP...


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From Black Legion 2nd novel ADB still make it clear most basic legionaries are made up of Sons of Horus from Maeleum. I am sure a lot of them still held to the SoH traditions while being folded in the Black Legion.


That's true at that point in time, but in the Dark Imperium era I'd argue the ranks of the Black Legion should be properly represented as having swelled with defectors from other Legions, post-Heresy recruits who've known no other life than the Black and Gold, and renegades from Imperial chapters down the millennia who likewise swore loyalty to Abaddon.

Even in Black Legion, only 3/12 members of the Ezekarion were former Sons of Horus, and that includes Abaddon himself.

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He looks absolutely massive if you compare his foot, which is further away, to the primaris Lieutenant!
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