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More BT rumors - Psychic Awakening Book 2?

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They would need an additional stratagem or special rule to move the tank then assault for it be decent
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They would need an additional stratagem or special rule to move the tank then assault for it be decent


I think Kikasstou had a rumor about that
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They would need an additional stratagem or special rule to move the tank then assault for it be decent


I think Kikasstou had a rumor about that

 

I had 2CP in memory for disembarking a crusadersquad from a moved LRC and then charging without overwatch and -1 to hit in melee.

 

Half of them is the new relvealed stratagem (and half of the costs). If we get another Stratagem for 1CP to disembark from a vehicle would be soooooo awesome.

 

Impulsor would be thaaaat great.  14" 3" + 6" + 2w6"(with reroll)

 

but maybe I should hold on my feelings (sadly i cannot hold back, dont blame me again GW)



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There was a Rumor for a Stratagem that a unit is not allowed to leave Close combat. Now Chaos Night Lords get this Stratagem. It was the most powerful stratagem of all rumored ones - i hope we still get this.


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Alright brothers, I have some news. 

 

Grimaldus knows 2 litanies plus the Litany of Hate and can recite 2 per turn. His Unmatched Zeal is still there and is now unmodified 6's (TH and PF everywhere rejoiced!) He can also Deny the Witch once per psychic phase. His crozius is now +2S -2AP 2D. Still 90 points, same stats and other gear as before. If he's your Warlord he must take the WLT that GW posted in our preview. Which means that he can do it twice

 

There are 8 Strats, 6 Relics, full WLT table and our other unique units all got rules buffs. 

 

That's all I can say for now. msn-wink.gif


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Curse you Ace, give us more!! ;)


Also, Grimy’s sounding boss.

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Guess who is staying firmly in my lists then?

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It's curious to me that he'd get such a huge buff with no change in points while Helbrecht just received a slight tune up. Sort of hoping Helbrecht gets a much better warlord trait or something to make up the difference. That, and a HEFTY points drop. 



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Faith and Fury overviews are now starting to pop up on Youtube!


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Didnt I had a post here? Not impressed with the book in general after seeing the reviews.
BT rules are decent I suppose. Dont play competitive.

Edited by Sete, 16 November 2019 - 01:28 PM.


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Play fluffy games only and they’re ok. Except for the Scouts strat. That’s... almost insulting.

Good luck competing with the other Chapters, though. At least the rules are thematic?

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Didnt I had a post here? Not impressed with the book in general after seeing the reviews.
BT rules are decent I suppose. Dont play competitive.

Come on Sete, you were never going to like the book unless it came wrapped with a separate Black Templar codex.
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H-h-h-hold the :cuss up people.

Night Lords get a 1CP strat that stops all units from falling back if they’re within 1” of a particular NL unit.

Templars get a 2CP strat that stops a single enemy unit falling back, on a 2+.





I mean I know Templars fans have a reputation for griping on this forum, but God-Emperor GW do love to :cuss on us.

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Well until GW Erratas it we do seem to still get access to the Imperial Fist stuff as well as nothing in the rules prevents it. Still won't play with their Super Doctrine though because that would be too much, unless my opponent is a "That Guy."


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Overall these rules imho are actually good to amazing;
The Amazing:
Our Litanies. All of Them. Love them. Except for Liu one
Relics: Helm, Sword, 4+ IV, and double rolls for litanies
Advance and Charge + Shoot Pistols
Abhor is back baby

The Good:
EChampion got a strict upgrade
Grimaldus is bonkers and imho a must take
Helbrecht is not a must take but super viable option
No Retreat

Mediocre
Wound Bounce, need to plan on field to see if worthwhiled
MORE CONSOLIDATION, not bad just we have access to this elsewhere
Mortal wound on charge. Eh better warlord traits exist

The Bad
Crusaders no point reduction, lost FauxDevi for a mostly useless buff
Ceno’s still god but no 12” shock immune, still worth 6 points
golly gee Scout Strategam
LRCrusader Strat not bad just eh
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BT Crusader Biker- http://www.bolterand...igensian-squad/
BT Primaris Crusaders - (WIP)
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Didnt I had a post here? Not impressed with the book in general after seeing the reviews.
BT rules are decent I suppose. Dont play competitive.

Come on Sete, you were never going to like the book unless it came wrapped with a separate Black Templar codex.

Not exactly. But no new artwork is a bummer, the fluff bit seems a bit short.
Wondering if it actually adds something new.

I would be okay with a release like this if it didnt felt like a filler for the factions present in the book.

Need to see the fluff rundown.

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Emperor's Champion can do nasty things to Knights potentially.

Get him to S9 (I think) with Helbrect and some other buffs and most Knights are Characters. He'll certainly cleave some wounds off with his full rerolls.

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H-h-h-hold the censored.gif up people.

Night Lords get a 1CP strat that stops all units from falling back if they’re within 1” of a particular NL unit.

Templars get a 2CP strat that stops a single enemy unit falling back, on a 2+.

I mean I know Templars fans have a reputation for griping on this forum, but God-Emperor GW do love to censored.gif on us.

It's kind of funny. People complain about Imperial Marines being so much better than Chaos Marines.... But Chaos Marines (Night Lords specifically) now have two things that Imperial Marines have, but better (Claws of the Black Hunt & We Have Come For You = The Ebonclaws & that BT strat) :lol:

 

 

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CHAPTER LITANIES

White Scars: Strike off the head
Chapter units within 6" can reroll wound rolls for melee weapons.

Iron Hands: Medusan Fervour
Chapter units within 6" get +1S

Imperial Fists: Fortress of Resolve
Chapter units within 6" overwatch on 5s and 6s

Ultramarines: March for Macragge
Chapter units within 6" can reroll any or all rolls of 1 for charges and advance moves

Salamanders: Selfless Saviours
Chapter units within 6" can performe heroic interventions as if they were characters

Raven Guard: Swift as the Raven
Select one chapter unit within 6". It can shoot after falling back. If it can FLY, it can charge
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H-h-h-hold the censored.gif up people.

Night Lords get a 1CP strat that stops all units from falling back if they’re within 1” of a particular NL unit.

Templars get a 2CP strat that stops a single enemy unit falling back, on a 2+.

I mean I know Templars fans have a reputation for griping on this forum, but God-Emperor GW do love to censored.gif on us.

It's kind of funny. People complain about Imperial Marines being so much better than Chaos Marines.... But Chaos Marines (Night Lords specifically) now have two things that Imperial Marines have, but better (Claws of the Black Hunt & We Have Come For You = The Ebonclaws & that BT strat) laugh.png

 

 

-Cackles in Bat-

 

We also have new Daemon Claws that are arguably better than Claws of the Black Hunt!



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I wouldn't honestly go around complaining that one faction of CSM has something better than loyalists at the moment.....

 

 

Anyway,seems all codex marines list just got (seriously) more pre-game CP heavy in a way or another


Edited by Fenriwolf, 16 November 2019 - 06:33 PM.

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Strange release for me. The new stuff BT got is so paltry that I can't see why they weren't in the IF supplement. Looks like they were just used as the Imperium faction to ensure players on this side bought the book. Compared to the well thought out stuff we got for RG, UM and Sallies which is fluffy yet powerful it looks like this was phoned in.

 

All the additions to advancing, charging, melee bonuses etc are good looking on paper but this is a shooting edition unfortunately. We'll see the real extent when people are trying to get Crusader squads in a single LRC across the table against a Tau/IH/IF/Eldar castle.

 

The only thing the book tells me is that BT are now considered much lower down the food chain by GW, no matter how loud "we had a codex in previous editions" is shouted.


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Whats more shocking is why the new Masters of the Chapter stuff is not on the Codex released 3 months ago.

Not going to mention anything about BT because its not "constructive".

Edited by Sete, 16 November 2019 - 07:00 PM.

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 If Crusader squads are really still 13/11 points a model then they're complete garbage and you should just take vanguard veterans or even flipping combat knife scouts instead. This feels more like the junk Blood Angels got in 8th ed a few months after Dark Angels and the marine codex got that free transport nonsense.

 


The only thing the book tells me is that BT are now considered much lower down the food chain by GW, no matter how loud "we had a codex in previous editions" is shouted.

 

Models precede rules. We got supplements because someone decided to do a primaris character for each first founding.

 

The first founding stuff in Faith and Fury seems pretty lackluster as well so BT aren't exactly screwed over on that front.

 

Unless the Imperial Fists supplement IS (or at some point WAS and they forget to make up for that) supposed to be legal alongside this stuff, then BT are actually pretty decent.

 

 

Whats more shocking is why the new Masters of the Chapter stuff is not on the Codex released 3 months ago.

Not going to mention anything about BT because its not "constructive".

 

It would have been pointless sub par bloat 3 months ago and its just a little fluffy throwaway for the character customisation crowd now.


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The only thing the book tells me is that BT are now considered much lower down the food chain by GW, no matter how loud "we had a codex in previous editions" is shouted.

 

The lack of any model support, despite coming at the tail end of a long chain of releases where no less than 6 chapters got something, speaks this far more clearly than any potency in rules, as those can be simply result of the developers not realizing how weak or strong (iron hands anyone?) they actually are.


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