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More BT rumors - Psychic Awakening Book 2?

Psychic Awakening event

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I think it will probably be a range of representatives from various Chaos Legions, not just one (even if Word Bearers are thematically the most sensible).


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Even so the focus will be on one small force (at least in term of model releases), enough that they will probably be covered by a single squad and a leader, like with xenos nonsense in book 1. The theme of book 2 is likely faith based, sisters of battle and black templar versus most likely Word Bearers. We know said conflict happens already, and there's possibly even artwork from the event in the 8th edition codex. 

 

All speculation but I'd almost be willing to bet money on it



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The only confirmed model rumour for BT is no Primaris Hel and Grim.


Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

 

 

That's just semantics. A rumor that says "No Primaris Helbrecht or Grimaldus" is still a rumor about models.

 

 

Yes, I suppose it is, but considering we are trying to use words to convey meaning, surely ensuring that the meaning of those words is clear is pretty important?

 

Don't forget, we've been discussing these rumours for weeks in the BT sub-forum, however, more casual readers may not know so much, so may think, when seeing the phrase 'confirmed rumour', that it is definitely true. Which it isn't.

 

To be clear, it's not a confirmed rumour, we won't know the truth of it until the release. What it is is a rumour from an apparently reliable source.


Edited by Brother Adelard, 06 October 2019 - 03:18 PM.

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Whatevs dudes.
It's the only confirmed/backed up/with a source rumour.
The rest is just people wishlisting, without any source to back it up.

Rumour by default should be taken with salt. That's why it's a rumour not a confirmed fact.

And the only rumour with a source to back it up is the one that we wont have primaris helbrecth or grimaldus and that's a fact.

Edit: Valid was the word I was looking for.

Edited by Sete, 06 October 2019 - 03:30 PM.


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Yes, I suppose it is, but considering we are trying to use words to convey meaning, surely ensuring that the meaning of those words is clear is pretty important?

 

Don't forget, we've been discussing these rumours for weeks in the BT sub-forum, however, more casual readers may not know so much, so may think, when seeing the phrase 'confirmed rumour', that it is definitely true. Which it isn't.

 

To be clear, it's not a confirmed rumour, we won't know the truth of it until the release. What it is is a rumour from an apparently reliable source.

 

 

Heh. I actually focused on another part of the sentence thinking that's where your contention lay.

 

You're right that a confirmed rumor is contradictory.


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Ah, I see the confusion about the no models rumour now!

I think a Primaris Draco would be cool. Also, he may be about the only realistic option. So far the other new Primaris Characters are those who have had some earlier part in the fluff. Whereas BT don't really have many named characters outside of Helbrecht and Grimaldus (Aside from the ones who died in Helsreach of course)

Off the top of my head I can think of:
- Theoderic the Master of Sanctity
- Jurisian, The Master of the Forge
- Castellan Draco
- Chaplain Cyneric
- Initiate Brusc

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oha... in the new box-set of ps. awakening vol.1 there are Drazhar + Incubi Boss and the Banshee Phoenix Lord + Exarch in it. So if there is a box set with Black Templars, there is a huge possibility for a Special Charakter.



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It would be pretty lame not to have a unique sculpt per faction in the box. Of course this doesn't mean we should expect that to happen, though we "know"/assume a plastic sorcerer is gonna be in the box.


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Assuming its not a joint sisters and BT vs Chaos. That could mean a possible character would be a sister one. Impossible to say right now



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True, could be anything at this point.


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the rumors said BT vs Chaos.. not Imperium vs chaos or Sisters + BT vs Chaos... i thought.



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The icon for map 2 has been the sororitas one. Sure it could just mean the setting of box/book 2 is a shrine world, but it could mean more.


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the rumors said BT vs Chaos.. not Imperium vs chaos or Sisters + BT vs Chaos... i thought.

 

The rumors did say that, yeah. I like discussing them but don't personally put much stock in them until we see some sort of previews from GW. I'd be happy either way. I'd be unhappy if they cram the Shadowspear minis in whichever box CSM are involved in, though.


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Reminder that our most reliable, and most French, source of rumours has been unsure about a box in the style of Blood of the Phoenix coming out with every Volume of Psychic Awakening.

 

He's specifically said Volume 2 would be BT Vs. Chaos, and spoke mostly about rules, but that doesn't mean Sisters cannot be included in the narrative. I suspect Sisters will get next to nothing rules-wise, at least compared to BT and CSM, because their Codex will be released at around the same time as Volume 2, if rumours are to be believed.


Edited by DeadFingers, 06 October 2019 - 05:32 PM.

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Putting wordbearers in there would be a good chance to redo their legion trait or give them a few strats
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Based on the Phoenix Rising commentary, I would expect updated Legion traits & a "build your own warband" system similar to what Successor Chapters received and the Craftworlds, Kabals, Covens & Cults are about to get. So we likely won't have Word Bearers or Iron Warriors getting as much as Black Legion received in Vigilus Ablaze, but any update would be fantastic.


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..."build your own warband" system similar to what Successor Chapters received and the Craftworlds, Kabals, Covens & Cults are about to get. 

 

The Warhammer Community article makes it seem like just Craftworlds are getting the Successor-style traits, not Drukhari.


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..."build your own warband" system similar to what Successor Chapters received and the Craftworlds, Kabals, Covens & Cults are about to get. 

 

The Warhammer Community article makes it seem like just Craftworlds are getting the Successor-style traits, not Drukhari.

 

 

 

I am more inclined to trust the word of the design team than WHC, who often get things wrong.


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Design team and WHC team can roll off on it. ;)


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We will find out soon enough.
Previews should start in a couple weeks.

I expect the factions at the forefront of the book to have something in terms of models.

Chaos should have a sorc next release, and since the rumours are chaos vs BT, it's safe to assume that BT could have a Castelan or Emperor Champion.
I have faith that it will be an Emperor Champion and Plastic sword bros.
If not BT could have just been rolled on the IF book and be done with it.

Edited by Sete, 06 October 2019 - 07:04 PM.


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Judging from the contents of the Eldar box, a Templars vs Chaos Box will likely be Primaris EC and a few Primaris Units we’ve seen vs Chaos Sorceror, New Chaos marines, and one or two old kits they can’t sell.

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im hoping 1 new character/leader and unit per box, as we've seen with blood of the pheonix. so, EC, primaris swordbros, redemptor?? vs sorcerer, new unit, obliterators??


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Heres my 2 thrones:
BT EC and Upgrade Sprue
Chaos: Sorc and Noise Marines upgrade sprue.(or night lords upgrade)

If by chance both armies get new units, Mulitators and Sword Bros.

Edited by Sete, 06 October 2019 - 08:55 PM.

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