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The memories of the Perpetuals are real. Overwhelming evidence.
I talked to Graham Mcneill and another author about the Perpetuals on their internet pages. They basically said the memories are real.

Memory is incredibly fallible. Try remembering the details of a day from two weeks ago. From last year. From 10 years ago.
Steven ericson has memory and it's unreliability be core theme of the malazan series. There's ancient gods and demi gods, but their recollection of events that drive their current motivations thousands of years forward is...nebulous. As of course it would be.
As the spoilers for Mortis show, Oll Persson meets Theseus while time traveling and Theseus was his old friend. And memory is not that faulty.

It is faulty. Details vanish and get conflated over time; multiply that effect by 50000 years. I'm not really going to go any further because you're unequivocally wrong.
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The memories of the Perpetuals are real. Overwhelming evidence.
I talked to Graham Mcneill and another author about the Perpetuals on their internet pages. They basically said the memories are real.

Memory is incredibly fallible. Try remembering the details of a day from two weeks ago. From last year. From 10 years ago.
Steven ericson has memory and it's unreliability be core theme of the malazan series. There's ancient gods and demi gods, but their recollection of events that drive their current motivations thousands of years forward is...nebulous. As of course it would be.
As the spoilers for Mortis show, Oll Persson meets Theseus while time traveling and Theseus was his old friend. And memory is not that faulty.
It is faulty. Details vanish and get conflated over time; multiply that effect by 50000 years. I'm not really going to go any further because you're unequivocally wrong.
The more impactful an event is, the easier and more you will remember. What you said depends on the importance of the events.

You are clearly wrong about Oll Persson's memories.

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I didn’t have that experience with this book, for what it’s worth. It’s not French’s best novel, but I read it in one day, and didn’t really struggle with dense prose or anything. 

Partway through, and likewise. There's some punctuation which is maybe inelegant or not the best for the moment, but I'm finding it perfectly easy to follow.

 

Also, finally a Titan Legio has personality beyond "we wear skulls and are sinister in a way that isn't interesting, but makes you wonder why anyone trusts us"!


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The memories of the Perpetuals are real. Overwhelming evidence.
I talked to Graham Mcneill and another author about the Perpetuals on their internet pages. They basically said the memories are real.

Memory is incredibly fallible. Try remembering the details of a day from two weeks ago. From last year. From 10 years ago.
Steven ericson has memory and it's unreliability be core theme of the malazan series. There's ancient gods and demi gods, but their recollection of events that drive their current motivations thousands of years forward is...nebulous. As of course it would be.
As the spoilers for Mortis show, Oll Persson meets Theseus while time traveling and Theseus was his old friend. And memory is not that faulty.
It is faulty. Details vanish and get conflated over time; multiply that effect by 50000 years. I'm not really going to go any further because you're unequivocally wrong.
The more impactful an event is, the easier and more you will remember. What you said depends on the importance of the events.

You are clearly wrong about Oll Persson's memories.

 

 

Man you just don't even understand what I'm saying. Memories are real, but that doesn't mean they're accurate or true; there's a reason why eye witnesses need supporting evidence in court. 

Impactful events can warp memories. Sleep deprivation and mental health damages them.


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Oh, and more an amused observation than a criticism, but the book describes characters smelling or tasting "sugar" (usually "burnt sugar") 12 times. Not quite to the same level as the wet-leopard growls of Prospero Burns, but close tongue.png


See...I knew Creme Brûlée was too good not to be an offering to Slaanesh :P

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well, all the authors only do things with GW approval as far as publishing goes. that's kinda the deal.
but aaron has admitted to going a little over the line on public forums before and getting into hot water with the gw powers that be.
feel free to post the relevant quotes from mcneill and others, i think it'd be interesting for all of us. beyond that though, not all authors agree. that's just how things work.

Can you prove Aaron said that? And Aaron has been in fluff meetings with all the authors for the Horus Heresy, so he is reliable.

 

hmmm, no i can't. i did have a browse over his posts here and on reddit as well as his blog, but i couldn't find what i recall him saying. then again adb has said a lot over the years. to be clear, adb wasn't saying he got asked to tone it down online for breaking any NDAs but for being perhaps too open about his opinions (it might have been the spurrier/zso sahaal stuff. big stress on the word "might")

 

unless someone else here can identify or find the quote from adb, we may have to chalk it up @skimaskmohawk's excellent point on the fallibility of memory.

 

though it sounds like your recent discussions with mcneill and the other authors are more recent so the quotes should be more readily on hand? looking forward to reading them.

 

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I didn’t have that experience with this book, for what it’s worth. It’s not French’s best novel, but I read it in one day, and didn’t really struggle with dense prose or anything. 

Partway through, and likewise. There's some punctuation which is maybe inelegant or not the best for the moment, but I'm finding it perfectly easy to follow.

 

Also, finally a Titan Legio has personality beyond "we wear skulls and are sinister in a way that isn't interesting, but makes you wonder why anyone trusts us"!

 

just wanting to clarify that descriptions of "ease" and "density" in french's prose doesn't necessarily mean the difficulty is due to it being beyond the readership's capability to grasp, just that it may be beyond their inclination to do so.


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On Oll's memory:

Spoiler


It definitely is faulty.
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The memories of the Perpetuals are real. Overwhelming evidence.
I talked to Graham Mcneill and another author about the Perpetuals on their internet pages. They basically said the memories are real.

Memory is incredibly fallible. Try remembering the details of a day from two weeks ago. From last year. From 10 years ago.
Steven ericson has memory and it's unreliability be core theme of the malazan series. There's ancient gods and demi gods, but their recollection of events that drive their current motivations thousands of years forward is...nebulous. As of course it would be.
As the spoilers for Mortis show, Oll Persson meets Theseus while time traveling and Theseus was his old friend. And memory is not that faulty.
It is faulty. Details vanish and get conflated over time; multiply that effect by 50000 years. I'm not really going to go any further because you're unequivocally wrong.
The more impactful an event is, the easier and more you will remember. What you said depends on the importance of the events.
You are clearly wrong about Oll Persson's memories.

Man you just don't even understand what I'm saying. Memories are real, but that doesn't mean they're accurate or true; there's a reason why eye witnesses need supporting evidence in court.
Impactful events can warp memories. Sleep deprivation and mental health damages them.
Not very often. Oll Persson's memories are not faulty to the point he hallucinates being one of Jason's Argonauts and everything else in his life.

There is more than one reason eye witnesses have to get that.

Koja Zu is unreliable.

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well, all the authors only do things with GW approval as far as publishing goes. that's kinda the deal.
but aaron has admitted to going a little over the line on public forums before and getting into hot water with the gw powers that be.
feel free to post the relevant quotes from mcneill and others, i think it'd be interesting for all of us. beyond that though, not all authors agree. that's just how things work.

Can you prove Aaron said that? And Aaron has been in fluff meetings with all the authors for the Horus Heresy, so he is reliable.
hmmm, no i can't. i did have a browse over his posts here and on reddit as well as his blog, but i couldn't find what i recall him saying. then again adb has said a lot over the years. to be clear, adb wasn't saying he got asked to tone it down online for breaking any NDAs but for being perhaps too open about his opinions (it might have been the spurrier/zso sahaal stuff. big stress on the word "might")

unless someone else here can identify or find the quote from adb, we may have to chalk it up @skimaskmohawk's excellent point on the fallibility of memory.

though it sounds like your recent discussions with mcneill and the other authors are more recent so the quotes should be more readily on hand? looking forward to reading them.



Did you pay attention to the post I replied to?

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well, all the authors only do things with GW approval as far as publishing goes. that's kinda the deal.
but aaron has admitted to going a little over the line on public forums before and getting into hot water with the gw powers that be.
feel free to post the relevant quotes from mcneill and others, i think it'd be interesting for all of us. beyond that though, not all authors agree. that's just how things work.

Can you prove Aaron said that? And Aaron has been in fluff meetings with all the authors for the Horus Heresy, so he is reliable.

hmmm, no i can't. i did have a browse over his posts here and on reddit as well as his blog, but i couldn't find what i recall him saying. then again adb has said a lot over the years. to be clear, adb wasn't saying he got asked to tone it down online for breaking any NDAs but for being perhaps too open about his opinions (it might have been the spurrier/zso sahaal stuff. big stress on the word "might")
 
unless someone else here can identify or find the quote from adb, we may have to chalk it up @skimaskmohawk's excellent point on the fallibility of memory.
 
though it sounds like your recent discussions with mcneill and the other authors are more recent so the quotes should be more readily on hand? looking forward to reading them.

 

You do know I was talking about the memories of the Perpetuals being real in the sense that they are not devices from the DAOT? We have evidence they are not.

 

i do.

 

but you also denied the possibility that an idea was "bounced around outside of print", which is something i don't know if anyone who isn't one of the authors can actually deny or confirm. that was the only thing i took issue with. the discussion of oll's memories is interesting in and of itself, but i don't have a particularly strong opinion on it either way. oll's memories may be more or less accurate or they may be a mix of fabrications (yes, even "hallucinating" memories that never occurred. it's a thing https://en.wikipedia...mory_syndrome).

 

memory is gonna be a bit weird and complex in the oldest living human being

 

looking forward to those links of your discussion on this topic with the authors. or you could just post quotes here. i think it'd be great to add to the discussion.


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Can you prove Aaron said that? And Aaron has been in fluff meetings with all the authors for the Horus Heresy, so he is reliable.

 

Buddy, the reason I didn't reply to you before, is that you said Aaron said something, and when I looked up the post to see for myself, I realized he likely meant no such thing. Yet you consistently ask people to "prove" every statement, without doing so yourself when challenged. I didn't believe you were here in good faith so I didn't consider you worth my time, and every post I've seen from you has validated that stance. I'd be happy to be proven wrong. You're asking for burden of proof as if this forum is a court of law, but it's a damn public forum discussing IP fiction. Sources can certainly help prove a point, sure, but what you've been doing is challenging everyone's claims without providing sources of your own, and it comes across as insincere and disrespectful. And the points you are trying to make are absolutist in regards to IP fiction, which... ok, bear with me, I'll get at that below.

 

The DAOT notion is from a character who was executed for stealing water.

 

The weapon out of its box from the DAoT theory is from Alan Bligh, and I'm pretty confident it was ADB, on these forums or elsewhere, who vectored the idea to us ahead of his book. ADB included it in MoM as an homage to his friend. I'm fairly confident it was ADB here, but like mc warhammer, I could not readily find a source, though if I had the time I might be able to. If you or any reader really wants to challenge themselves and go on a deep dive, try a forum search for user "A D-B" between 2014-2015 and just start reading. It's a lot of time that I don't have, but it might be there. It might not.* But it's probably still an interesting look at what's changed and what hasn't.

Otherwise, it could have been mentioned in person by Alan Bligh to fans at events, or maybe elsewhere somehow. I don't really want to get into that, though. I didn't have many opportunities to meet Alan Bligh in person, and of the few times I did have a chance, I was fairly drunk for at least one of them. But those interactions with Alan had a huge impact on how I view media, and personally, it feels morbid to try to find quotes relating to a dead man whose memory I try to respect (and I'm probably failing, right now), nor does it feel great to say "Alan Bligh said this thing but he's dead now so you can't check with him." It feels vile.

*And there is a real chance my memory is simply wrong. I was at the 2016 Weekender when MoM released, so I could have heard it there just before I read the book, though IIRC, it was also the ebook finale of the 2015 BL advent calendar, so I may have read it before that event? It's been a while! I started two businesses within two months of that weekender, and then more recently ended up a caregiver in a pandemic for a full year of social distancing, so it feels like an eternity ago now. I may have crossed some wires. It's happened before.

Another thought: I do know there is an internal "answer" to what's going on around the Emperor. Dan Abnett said as much in a recent arstechnica interview video. But even if there is a current internal answer to keep the story consistent as they work across 6 authors and 8 novels, that internal answer can itself change over time. It's not static. More stories could be set in and around the siege in the future that change our understanding even further, and those could deliberately re-muddy the waters. And Dan himself was clear that they endeavor to hide that internal answer so that we can still creatively interpret our escapist fiction.

That's the thing. There's nothing to prove in this IP fiction! Some reads are more likely and less likely given a text, but there is no actual, final, eternal truth or answer to most things with the way GW handles its IP. It is all made up, and new things can be made up at any time. I personally tend to see it as a range of probabilities, where the Emperor/Perpetual deep time take is the most likely, but I still look for other likelihoods. I love exploring things like the Rashomon effect, and how perception changes interpretation. That's why I'm here, on the B&C, reading all your takes! It's fascinating. But sometimes, especially the way this thread has been going, it's just exhausting to try to interact at all.

I've also been trying to better respect my own time by not typing up a wall of text to what is often just bait, only to see my efforts disregarded with a single, dismissive sentence or two. So I'm not doing as great there...
 

 

The Perpetuals are not from the DAOT.

I do not understand why that theory offends your sensibilities so much, or why you feel a burning need to tell me at every opportunity that it can't possibly work in this highly flexible IP.


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Can you prove Aaron said that? And Aaron has been in fluff meetings with all the authors for the Horus Heresy, so he is reliable.


Buddy, the reason I didn't reply to you before, is that you said Aaron said something, and when I looked up the post to see for myself, I realized he likely meant no such thing. Yet you consistently ask people to "prove" every statement, without doing so yourself when challenged. I didn't believe you were here in good faith so I didn't consider you worth my time, and every post I've seen from you has validated that stance. I'd be happy to be proven wrong. You're asking for burden of proof as if this forum is a court of law, but it's a damn public forum discussing IP fiction. Sources can certainly help prove a point, sure, but what you've been doing is challenging everyone's claims without providing sources of your own, and it comes across as insincere and disrespectful. And the points you are trying to make are absolutist in regards to IP fiction, which... ok, bear with me, I'll get at that below.

The DAOT notion is from a character who was executed for stealing water.


The weapon out of its box from the DAoT theory is from Alan Bligh, and I'm pretty confident it was ADB, on these forums or elsewhere, who vectored the idea to us ahead of his book. ADB included it in MoM as an homage to his friend. I'm fairly confident it was ADB here, but like mc warhammer, I could not readily find a source, though if I had the time I might be able to. If you or any reader really wants to challenge themselves and go on a deep dive, try a forum search for user "A D-B" between 2014-2015 and just start reading. It's a lot of time that I don't have, but it might be there. It might not.* But it's probably still an interesting look at what's changed and what hasn't.
Otherwise, it could have been mentioned in person by Alan Bligh to fans at events, or maybe elsewhere somehow. I don't really want to get into that, though. I didn't have many opportunities to meet Alan Bligh in person, and of the few times I did have a chance, I was fairly drunk for at least one of them. But those interactions with Alan had a huge impact on how I view media, and personally, it feels morbid to try to find quotes relating to a dead man whose memory I try to respect (and I'm probably failing, right now), nor does it feel great to say "Alan Bligh said this thing but he's dead now so you can't check with him." It feels vile.
*And there is a real chance my memory is simply wrong. I was at the 2016 Weekender when MoM released, so I could have heard it there just before I read the book, though IIRC, it was also the ebook finale of the 2015 BL advent calendar, so I may have read it before that event? It's been a while! I started two businesses that year and then more recently ended up a caregiver in a pandemic for a full year of social distancing, so it feels like an eternity ago now. I may have crossed some wires. It's happened before.
Another thought: I do know there is an internal "answer" to what's going on around the Emperor. Dan Abnett said as much in a recent arstechnica interview video. But even if there is a current internal answer to keep the story consistent as they work across 6 authors and 8 novels, that internal answer can itself change over time. It's not static. More stories could be set in and around the siege in the future that change our understanding even further, and those could deliberately re-muddy the waters. And Dan himself was clear that they endeavor to hide that internal answer so that we can still creatively interpret our escapist fiction.
That's the thing. There's nothing to prove in this IP fiction! Some reads are more likely and less likely given a text, but there is no actual, final, eternal truth or answer to most things with the way GW handles its IP. It is all made up, and new things can be made up at any time. I personally tend to see it as a range of probabilities, where the Emperor/Perpetual deep time take is the most likely, but I still look for other likelihoods. I love exploring things like the Rashomon effect, and how perception changes interpretation. That's why I'm here, on the B&C, reading all your takes! It's fascinating. But sometimes, especially the way this thread has been going, it's just exhausting to try to interact at all.
I've also been trying to better respect my own time by not typing up a wall of text to what is often just bait, only to see my efforts disregarded with a single, dismissive sentence or two. So I'm not doing as great there...


The Perpetuals are not from the DAOT.

I do not understand why that theory offends your sensibilities so much, or why you feel a burning need to tell me at every opportunity that it can't possibly work in this highly flexible IP.
He was fond of the notion. He did not view as a legit suggestion.

I am sorry for coming off as angry.

Edited by Just123456, 14 May 2021 - 02:08 AM.


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Below is where he said it. 

 

https://www.reddit.c...web2x&context=3

 

And what Graham Mcneill said. 

 

https://i.imgur.com/YVdDCyx.png

 

I am sorry for being a bit of a jerk. 


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So, any of you fine people read Mortis?

 

It's the fifth Siege of Terra book and I really liked it. Most seem to disagree though. Thoughts?


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I was reading Mortis and I was fond of it. Though the parts with Oll Persson were different from the ordinary Warhammer.
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Can you prove Aaron said that? And Aaron has been in fluff meetings with all the authors for the Horus Heresy, so he is reliable.

 
Buddy, the reason I didn't reply to you before, is that you said Aaron said something, and when I looked up the post to see for myself, I realized he likely meant no such thing. Yet you consistently ask people to "prove" every statement, without doing so yourself when challenged. I didn't believe you were here in good faith so I didn't consider you worth my time, and every post I've seen from you has validated that stance. I'd be happy to be proven wrong. You're asking for burden of proof as if this forum is a court of law, but it's a damn public forum discussing IP fiction. Sources can certainly help prove a point, sure, but what you've been doing is challenging everyone's claims without providing sources of your own, and it comes across as insincere and disrespectful. And the points you are trying to make are absolutist in regards to IP fiction, which... ok, bear with me, I'll get at that below.
 

The DAOT notion is from a character who was executed for stealing water.

 
The weapon out of its box from the DAoT theory is from Alan Bligh, and I'm pretty confident it was ADB, on these forums or elsewhere, who vectored the idea to us ahead of his book. ADB included it in MoM as an homage to his friend. I'm fairly confident it was ADB here, but like mc warhammer, I could not readily find a source, though if I had the time I might be able to. If you or any reader really wants to challenge themselves and go on a deep dive, try a forum search for user "A D-B" between 2014-2015 and just start reading. It's a lot of time that I don't have, but it might be there. It might not.* But it's probably still an interesting look at what's changed and what hasn't.
Otherwise, it could have been mentioned in person by Alan Bligh to fans at events, or maybe elsewhere somehow. I don't really want to get into that, though. I didn't have many opportunities to meet Alan Bligh in person, and of the few times I did have a chance, I was fairly drunk for at least one of them. But those interactions with Alan had a huge impact on how I view media, and personally, it feels morbid to try to find quotes relating to a dead man whose memory I try to respect (and I'm probably failing, right now), nor does it feel great to say "Alan Bligh said this thing but he's dead now so you can't check with him." It feels vile.
*And there is a real chance my memory is simply wrong. I was at the 2016 Weekender when MoM released, so I could have heard it there just before I read the book, though IIRC, it was also the ebook finale of the 2015 BL advent calendar, so I may have read it before that event? It's been a while! I started two businesses within two months of that weekender, and then more recently ended up a caregiver in a pandemic for a full year of social distancing, so it feels like an eternity ago now. I may have crossed some wires. It's happened before.
Another thought: I do know there is an internal "answer" to what's going on around the Emperor. Dan Abnett said as much in a recent arstechnica interview video. But even if there is a current internal answer to keep the story consistent as they work across 6 authors and 8 novels, that internal answer can itself change over time. It's not static. More stories could be set in and around the siege in the future that change our understanding even further, and those could deliberately re-muddy the waters. And Dan himself was clear that they endeavor to hide that internal answer so that we can still creatively interpret our escapist fiction.
That's the thing. There's nothing to prove in this IP fiction! Some reads are more likely and less likely given a text, but there is no actual, final, eternal truth or answer to most things with the way GW handles its IP. It is all made up, and new things can be made up at any time. I personally tend to see it as a range of probabilities, where the Emperor/Perpetual deep time take is the most likely, but I still look for other likelihoods. I love exploring things like the Rashomon effect, and how perception changes interpretation. That's why I'm here, on the B&C, reading all your takes! It's fascinating. But sometimes, especially the way this thread has been going, it's just exhausting to try to interact at all.
I've also been trying to better respect my own time by not typing up a wall of text to what is often just bait, only to see my efforts disregarded with a single, dismissive sentence or two. So I'm not doing as great there...
 
 

The Perpetuals are not from the DAOT.

I do not understand why that theory offends your sensibilities so much, or why you feel a burning need to tell me at every opportunity that it can't possibly work in this highly flexible IP.

I should have said it's very unlikely, though not completely silly. And since the whole setting runs on unreliable narrators, people are free to make their version of Warhammer.
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Below is where he said it.

https://www.reddit.c...web2x&context=3

And what Graham Mcneill said.

https://i.imgur.com/YVdDCyx.png

I am sorry for being a bit of a jerk.


thanks for that mate, i'm unclear which part of what McNeil says pertains to oll's memories but i appreciate you posting it

So, any of you fine people read Mortis?

It's the fifth Siege of Terra book and I really liked it. Most seem to disagree though. Thoughts?


uhm...not me

point taken, i'll resume my lurking until i can contribute on topic ha
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Well that's fair enough! Dang. I guess I have to disagree with ADB teehee.gif I'm still going to reserve a special place in my heart for the "weapon left out of its box" idea.

You do not come off as angry to me, to be fair. Maybe a bit stubborn, but lots of us are. That you're willing to apologize at all means I probably badly misread you, and you deserve an apology for that in turn. I'm sorry for judging you too harshly.
 

 

So, any of you fine people read Mortis?

 

It's the fifth Siege of Terra book and I really liked it. Most seem to disagree though. Thoughts?

Yeah man, I loved it. I agreed with most of what came up in your review a few pages back. I meant to respond but was, uh, distracted, by the last few pages. I will submit my reading notes for perusal... which only really illustrate my strange, galaxy brain reading priorities, if anything:

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I didn't have that many notes, actually. Mostly just things I wanted to be able to cite later, if ever. I can't honestly say I disagree with some of the criticisms of this novel, but, as I did say in my previous post... I was effectively locked up for a year in the US as a private caregiver for my father. So the theme of grinding siege despair resonated a lot with me, and the afterword was really affecting.

And on a personal level, I hadn't been reading through a lot of the pandemic. My daily routine became such a depressing grind that I had stopped being intellectually curious, and Mortis kick-started me into burning through it, Fury of Magnus, Penitent, Valdor, Alpharius, and some non-GW stuff, including some Cormac McCarthy that I'd been struggling with. So my read was more personal, its place in my life somewhat significant, and some of the negative reviews here did make me take a step back and wonder if I was just really out of touch or something. It gave me pause, and made me feel estranged. But yeah, I liked Mortis a lot actually, all things considered, and now I've had more time to reflect on it.


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Well that's fair enough! Dang. I guess I have to disagree with ADB :teehee: I'm still going to reserve a special place in my heart for the "weapon left out of its box" idea.
You do not come off as angry to me, to be fair. Maybe a bit stubborn, but lots of us are. That you're willing to apologize at all means I probably badly misread you, and you deserve an apology for that in turn. I'm sorry for judging you too harshly.


So, any of you fine people read Mortis?

It's the fifth Siege of Terra book and I really liked it. Most seem to disagree though. Thoughts?

Yeah man, I loved it. I agreed with most of what came up in your review a few pages back. I meant to respond but was, uh, distracted, by the last few pages. I will submit my reading notes for perusal... which only really illustrate my strange, galaxy brain reading priorities, if anything:
Spoiler

I didn't have that many notes, actually. Mostly just things I wanted to be able to cite later, if ever. I can't honestly say I disagree with some of the criticisms of this novel, but, as I did say in my previous post... I was effectively locked up for a year in the US as a private caregiver for my father. So the theme of grinding siege despair resonated a lot with me, and the afterword was really affecting.
And on a personal level, I hadn't been reading through a lot of the pandemic. My daily routine became such a depressing grind that I had stopped being intellectually curious, and Mortis kick-started me into burning through it, Fury of Magnus, Penitent, Valdor, Alpharius, and some non-GW stuff, including some Cormac McCarthy that I'd been struggling with. So my read was more personal, its place in my life somewhat significant, and some of the negative reviews here did make me take a step back and wonder if I was just really out of touch or something. It gave me pause, and made me feel estranged. But yeah, I liked Mortis a lot actually, all things considered, and now I've had more time to reflect on it.
And did you get my latest post to you?

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Good Stuff.
 

 

I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it - sucks to hear about your circumstances though. Best wishes.

 

I do sometimes wonder if it's a full-on disposition or simply a series of experiences that makes a reader either engage or check out when a book is as drawn out and depressing as possible. It certainly sounds like a negative but damn if it doesn't hit for me. I've been reading R. Scott Bakker's books on the side and the sheer depths his series goes to in creating a vibe of such sadistic emptiness is paradoxically extremely compelling.

 

Anywho, I foresee this being the most divisive Siege book by the end, even if Abnett does pull some ill-advised twist, but I'm supremely thankful French got to write it.

 

And much as I'm trying to tone down my author sniping these days, the thought of Haley handling Pert's departure after Lost and the Damned makes me feel like we dodged a bullet.


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So, any of you fine people read Mortis?

 

It's the fifth Siege of Terra book and I really liked it. Most seem to disagree though. Thoughts?

 

I'm going to grab it so I have something to be mad about this weekend beyond my normal things. ;)


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So, any of you fine people read Mortis?

 

It's the fifth Siege of Terra book and I really liked it. Most seem to disagree though. Thoughts?

 

I'm going to grab it so I have something to be mad about this weekend beyond my normal things. msn-wink.gif

 

Great... ;)


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the thought of Haley handling Pert's departure after Lost and the Damned makes me feel like we dodged a bullet.

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Bring on French's take on the Iron Cage.


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