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This sounds really good and I'm not even an AL fan. Just really interesting expansion of the XXth built on FW fluff...

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Looks like we're still not getting an answer about

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A bit disappointed about that, but at least the overall spoilers sound pretty good. More eager to read this one than Mortis, actually.


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triplet theory confirmed j/k

 

though...

 

Spoiler

 


Edited by mc warhammer, 25 January 2021 - 08:19 AM.

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It always amused me that the GW Mail Order ‘Trolls’ as we (starting with me) had always styled ourselves insisted as being rebranded ‘Space Marines’. Why anyone would want to be associated with semi-lobotomized, hypnotically indoctrinated slave-soldiers in thrall to an uncaring (and possibly non-existent) god I couldn’t imagine. - Rick Priestley

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Is there still some ambiguity left or is it definitive fact? (Or as close as it can get to from an in-universe point of view)

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apparently it starts and ends by saying

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so...maybe?


It always amused me that the GW Mail Order ‘Trolls’ as we (starting with me) had always styled ourselves insisted as being rebranded ‘Space Marines’. Why anyone would want to be associated with semi-lobotomized, hypnotically indoctrinated slave-soldiers in thrall to an uncaring (and possibly non-existent) god I couldn’t imagine. - Rick Priestley

 2019

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He straight up said on Twitter he can’t believe they let him do it, so take that as you will.

Your opinion is important, and someone posting here probably does care what you think. You should go tell them. Remember that it really hurts to come up with an idea you care about and have no one else care. Go care about something and tell them what you think. Now. Think of what it would have meant to you when you were young.

 

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Edited by Crix, 26 January 2021 - 05:28 AM.

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apparently it starts and ends by saying

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so...maybe?

Wait a sec...

 

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Eh.... It actually comes from Extermination, FW Book 3.

 

All Legions were an Alpha Legion at some point, no joke.

 

Very Alpharius. 

 

Jokes aside though, it just means that a Legion has advanced beyond the lab-testing phase to the point of initial induction but has yet to be cleared to be put into full production. The Alpha Legion never officially moved beyond that point until Alpharius was found and a full Legion suddenly came out of the woodwork.


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I'm sorry but even if 50% of these spoilers are correct (I don't doubt them!) then I'm out. There's no way I'm buying or reading this. It just genuinely sounds like an author trying to shoe horn his own concept into an established storyline (Horus being the 1st primarch discovered etc) in a cack handed way to draw attention to his own poorly conceived work.
Kudos to those that can stomach it though.

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I rather like the idea of the story being told by Alpharius himself and being a mix of truths, secrets and lies. It's then left to the reader to try and make sense of it all.

If overused, it would be really annoying but for a single book about the most duplicitous Primarch, I could see it working if done well.

Edited by Karhedron, 26 January 2021 - 09:07 AM.

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I'm sorry but even if 50% of these spoilers are correct (I don't doubt them!) then I'm out. There's no way I'm buying or reading this. It just genuinely sounds like an author trying to shoe horn his own concept into an established storyline (Horus being the 1st primarch discovered etc) in a cack handed way to draw attention to his own poorly conceived work.
Kudos to those that can stomach it though.

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Must have hated legion too lol

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I'm sorry but even if 50% of these spoilers are correct (I don't doubt them!) then I'm out. There's no way I'm buying or reading this. It just genuinely sounds like an author trying to shoe horn his own concept into an established storyline (Horus being the 1st primarch discovered etc) in a cack handed way to draw attention to his own poorly conceived work.
Kudos to those that can stomach it though.

BCC

Some of what was mentioned in the spoilers regarding Alpharius´ past comes more or less from the FW book "Extermination". So it´s not Brooks´ fundamental idea.

 

Spoiler


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Is there still some ambiguity left or is it definitive fact? (Or as close as it can get to from an in-universe point of view)

 
 

apparently it starts and ends by saying

Spoiler

 
so...maybe?

 
That's not really wholly accurate. 
 
Spoiler

 

I'm sorry but even if 50% of these spoilers are correct (I don't doubt them!) then I'm out. There's no way I'm buying or reading this. It just genuinely sounds like an author trying to shoe horn his own concept into an established storyline (Horus being the 1st primarch discovered etc) in a cack handed way to draw attention to his own poorly conceived work.
Kudos to those that can stomach it though.

BCC

 
You are of course free to disagree or not like what is written (although I would recommend waiting until you have actually read it), there are many things in the Horus Heresy series which I think have been handled poorly, but this is not one of them.
 
However to say that this is the author "trying to shoe horn his own concept in a cack handed way to draw attention to his own poorly conceived work" is fundamentally wrong. As I explained above this book is heavily influenced by the pre-eminent background writer for the whole setting. 
 
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Edited by animal310, 26 January 2021 - 10:25 AM.

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thank you for the context, animal310

can you give some to:

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if it is, then that's my head canon that i've discussed here a few times confirmed.

Edited by mc warhammer, 26 January 2021 - 10:16 AM.

It always amused me that the GW Mail Order ‘Trolls’ as we (starting with me) had always styled ourselves insisted as being rebranded ‘Space Marines’. Why anyone would want to be associated with semi-lobotomized, hypnotically indoctrinated slave-soldiers in thrall to an uncaring (and possibly non-existent) god I couldn’t imagine. - Rick Priestley

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thank you for the context, animal310

can you give some to:

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if it is, then that's my head canon that i've discussed here a few times confirmed.


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i dig it. and it makes sense
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It always amused me that the GW Mail Order ‘Trolls’ as we (starting with me) had always styled ourselves insisted as being rebranded ‘Space Marines’. Why anyone would want to be associated with semi-lobotomized, hypnotically indoctrinated slave-soldiers in thrall to an uncaring (and possibly non-existent) god I couldn’t imagine. - Rick Priestley

 2019

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Hey, agree to disagree guys. It’s the Internet after all. Personally that’s just how I feel.

And no, I did really enjoy Legion. That’s a great book written by a great author. But from what I gather this doesn’t appeal to me or how I feel Alpha Legion always have been. But hey like I said, it’s the Internet. ;)

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Hey, agree to disagree guys. It’s the Internet after all. Personally that’s just how I feel.

And no, I did really enjoy Legion. That’s a great book written by a great author. But from what I gather this doesn’t appeal to me or how I feel Alpha Legion always have been. But hey like I said, it’s the Internet. ;)

BCC


But the entire book is an author trying to shoe horn his own concept into an established storyline (two primarchs for one legion, alpha legion being secretly loyal) in a cack handed way to draw attention to his own poorly conceived work. The entire book builds to the reveal that surprise, there's two primarchs. Oh and thet know all about the heresy and it's actually what the emperor would want them to do so they're good guys.
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Quoting myself back “against” myself to prove a point about another book isn’t what’s on discussion here. ;)

Also you’re missing the point. In my own opinion which may only matter to me, based on the facts others have kindly given us through reading the book, these are the conclusions I have drawn and that’s about it.

Legion is a separate discussion. On what I’ve heard and looked at about this new book it’s purely how I feel. Your review of Legion is your own and probably better centred somewhere else within our Black Library sub forum buddy. :)

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not to ruin a good abnett bash...but weren't the twins an alan merrett thing?

It always amused me that the GW Mail Order ‘Trolls’ as we (starting with me) had always styled ourselves insisted as being rebranded ‘Space Marines’. Why anyone would want to be associated with semi-lobotomized, hypnotically indoctrinated slave-soldiers in thrall to an uncaring (and possibly non-existent) god I couldn’t imagine. - Rick Priestley

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Quoting myself back “against” myself to prove a point about another book isn’t what’s on discussion here. ;)

Also you’re missing the point. In my own opinion which may only matter to me, based on the facts others have kindly given us through reading the book, these are the conclusions I have drawn and that’s about it.

Legion is a separate discussion. On what I’ve heard and looked at about this new book it’s purely how I feel. Your review of Legion is your own and probably better centred somewhere else within our Black Library sub forum buddy. :)

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You missed my point. The core complaint you seem to have in that he's making stuff up applies to almost every book in the series. Abnett writes great books, but makes stuff up left and right that has fundamental impacts on the lore that other authors have to address.

This changes nothing. If it's an ego trip trying to push his own stuff, then it's an oddly considerate one that really doesn't matter at all.

Love the off-topic claims to avoid substantiating your point. It's a real classic.
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I’ve hardly avoided substantiating my point at all. My points extremely clear from my first post buddy. :)

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No need to argue, guys & gals - what will matter is (eventually for most of us) actually having the book in hand and reading it ourselves. Disclaiming something because of spoilers doesn't really help get to the text, and why it works/doesn't. 

 

Anyway, very excited for this book - Road to Redemption and Wanted: Dead were great, esp. the latter, and Extermination was wonderful for how Alan Bligh (and French and Wyllie and Hoare, depending on who wrote what in the AL section) danced on all those ideas of the XXth from Abnett's excellent work to older ideas. 


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The point of your initial post was that the post was your subjective opinion? Because it seemed to be that it was an author ruining an established concept with his own ideas to draw attention to himself. My question is how is this the book that creates that impression compared to...the rest of them.
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50 pages into it and I have to say it's my favorite of the series so far


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