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State of the Union (Heresy)


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In regards to the scale creep, what happens in 40k affects 30k.
Primaris exist, and although I’m not a fan of them, they are absolutely better proportioned.
Contrary to a lot of naysayers I never believed that firstborn were getting squatted in 40k as there is a market demand for them to be continued, but to do so they need to look aesthetically appealing next to Primaris, and increasing their size goes a long way to helping them look better proportioned.

That’s the reality we have to contend with in 30k. Because of decisions made for 40k, 30k will be affected, and frankly given how great the new stuff looks, I’m ok with that.
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As others have said, Scale Creep doesn't bother me.Trust me, if it did, I wouldn't have gotten a NIB Betrayal at Calth and Burning of Prospero for my Dark Angels :lol:

 

Ive been a mod here for like at least 6 years now lol and the only editing I did was merging posts to cut back on the double posting lmao.

I think that shows more of how good of a mod you are that you don't have to wave the stick around that people forget you're a mod at times.


 


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Scale creep doesn't bother me. The newer, larger models look better. GW is obviously going to increase the scale and change from the ball joint at the waist to a more dynamic looking, but fixed posing there, there's no point in dwelling on it too much.

 

I am wondering whether they will update some of the 40k kits to make both 30k and 40k variants. For example, if one were to update the drop pod kit, making it contain both a storm bolter and a twin linked bolter would be trivial to cover both bases. So I'm interested what they do with some of that.


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Scale creep doesn't bother me. The newer, larger models look better. GW is obviously going to increase the scale and change from the ball joint at the waist to a more dynamic looking, but fixed posing there, there's no point in dwelling on it too much.

 

I am wondering whether they will update some of the 40k kits to make both 30k and 40k variants. For example, if one were to update the drop pod kit, making it contain both a storm bolter and a twin linked bolter would be trivial to cover both bases. So I'm interested what they do with some of that.

One thing that would drive this idea would be transitioning to the initial stages of the Great Scouring as the next era Specialist Games would want to visit in the Space Marine Legion era.

 

On that point, the Old World article on Warhammer Community caught my interest because it explores an earlier era of WFB instead of just reverting back to where things where before AoS. Obviously Specialist Games is not done with the Heresy for 30k but it shows they could move forward in time to the Great Scouring or mine the Great Crusade for new settings like the Rangdan Xenocides or the Ullanor Campaign. So I think the effort to explore new periods in WFB portends well for the future of the Heresy as well.

 

The other thing that was interesting about that article was their willingness to edition hunt to get the best ideas for the Old World. I don't expect the Specialist team to overhaul the Heresy in the same way if a new edition comes out but it's good to see that division of GW willing to look to the past and present for good ideas to strengthen a game system.


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The rumour from iirc valrak said that the plan is to make 30k into an age of darkness franchise covering stuff from the great crusade to the scouring (which I'd love because I want to do 30k crimson fists)
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With all the talk of scale creep, does anybody know when it began? I know the dark angels legion units are in the new size and I’m assuming the night lords are the same too. What about the blood angels and the white scars?


I know you are asking specifically about Heresy, but if you’ll allow me deliberately to twist your question, scale creep has always been with us since the birth of 40k. Just look at the RTB sets of marines, terminators or orks. This is the nagging issue I have with scale creep, the designers seem to think bigger is better, but I’d prefer a game that fits on a smaller table.

I once saw, perhaps on this board, a guy who had converted/sculpted a Blood Angels army in 15mm scale and it was awesome. That was way beyond my skill, but maybe with 3d printing I could think about that now.

 

 

I was going to suggest Epic, but even that has crept up in scale! Some of the current STLs and other miniatures from small garage casters are much bigger than the classic minis (those first edition Epic mk6 space marines really are tiny when you look at them now!)

 

PS - Check out Vanguard Miniatures for 15mm scale 'not marines'. I agree, in some ways its probably the ideal scale for the game-type that modern 40k has become (certainly for the miniature volumes, you have less of a feeling of everything being comically squeezed into a tabletop).


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15mm is ideal for the game GW what you to play, 32mm scale is just too big imo for anything above 1 or 1.5k points
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15mm is ideal for the game GW what you to play, 32mm scale is just too big imo for anything above 1 or 1.5k points

 

I tend to agree now. I didn't used to think that but I genuinely find new 40k (as in, 8th onwards) too memory centric and I lose interest once I realise I've forgotten to roll for this that or the other.

7th ed and earlier, including HH, is simpler for me because the basic premise is the same as it was in 1994 and whilst it is heavy on USR you don't have to remember to change your doctrine or find a stratagem or other potentially game changing rules, even tracking wounds -  I find it easy to forget whether the dice next to my captain is wounds suffered or wounds remaining!


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I was going to suggest Epic, but even that has crept up in scale! Some of the current STLs and other miniatures from small garage casters are much bigger than the classic minis (those first edition Epic mk6 space marines really are tiny when you look at them now!)

PS - Check out Vanguard Miniatures for 15mm scale 'not marines'. I agree, in some ways its probably the ideal scale for the game-type that modern 40k has become (certainly for the miniature volumes, you have less of a feeling of everything being comically squeezed into a tabletop).


Now the epic scale creep is the scale creep I like! Tending from 6mm to 8mm you can do a lot more in terms of poses and painting, and would fit with new Titanicus. I really woke up to “pocket 40k” too late and epic was pretty much discontinued, but again, 3D printing or alternatives may be the way. I have enough epic bits to make my first edition space hulk in 6mm but that took years of scouring eBay before finding sensible price epic genestealers.

I’ve been tempted by Vanguard for a while - it’s about having to buy 2 factions at once. But they have nice not-Kreig and not-Orks, so maybe I’d run the new Kill Team on a diddy little board!
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I’ll say this tho, even though I’m for the scale creep, until I know to what extent this is going to take place, I’m not going to buy or work on any more Astartes.

Looks like it’s the perfect time to start working on some Custodes!
No matter how much bigger Legionaries get, the ten thousand will always be the chonkiest!

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Or their much cool teammates the Sisters of Silence ;) 

Our group has been flirting around with Epic scaled stuff for a while now given how Titanicus focused we have been, to the extent of semi planning printing out companies of each legion to model/paint throughout the group as a project. 

Means you can build armies a lot (LOT) cheaper and brings projects like my Scars, Blood angels or Alpha Legion armour back to life after having to sell chunks or all of them. The planning is already done! :D 


Like, i cant lie, i was pretty disappointed about Old World not being epic scaled, even with 2+ square based armies lying around in dusty boxes


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