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WD Fallen Rules Soon?


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Now pinch of salt here, it's only 2 words in White Dwarf (received today in the post), but there could be fallen rules on the way in next month's WD.  I'm aware it could be other game systems or even just an Index Astartes style article.  Discuss!

 

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Oooh just did a squad of fallen out of my backlog of doom, might be nice to have them be useful! 



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Huh, now that's interesting. Doesn't feel like it'll be a proper Index but who knows?

People like to whinge and moan about "the good old days," when things "were cool" and now somehow aren't.
One would think that this energy would be better invested in pursuing things one finds more to one's liking.
Then again, common sense doesn't seem to be all that common.


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Maybe just a quick update to bring the rules in line with the current edition (i.e two wounds)?
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Neat. I'd hope they'd expand upon them at least a little - they were always a really awkward inclusion in the codex. 


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It will be a nice 2 pages (one of which will be pictures of studio staff's painted models-which may be good, fingers crossed)

 

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I’m really liking GW’s use of indexes. Never thought loyalist Dark Angels would get 40k rules

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Typically the ones listed as coming next month get a full Index, they may not change anything mechanically ofc but im low key hoping they at least could work as an army to some degree, even if its limited. There were some rumours about them being a bit more prominent, (possibly leading to the Lion returning) during Gathering storm that got dropped like a hot rock in 8th.



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A Fallen index could be quite fun, even if just lore.

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I expect it'll tie up with the recent Luther novel as well - there was some spicy writing in there.


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I hope they get some actually useable rules.  I've wanted to make a Fallen force forever, as I really like the old-school DA "knightly" look that their 30k army has.


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The easy scenario would be 1) updated rules for the Fallen squad, 2) a list of which existing Chaos HQ units can be used, which would let you do a Vanguard detachment of Fallen. What I’d love to see would be a more ambitious list that allows any Heresy-era, non-demonic units to take the Fallen keyword, plus potentially Cultists. In essence, rules that allow a 30k DA army to be fielded (more or less).


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This is interesting to me too; I've really fallen into rabbit hole with Crusade after the DE dex, and I remember that the Crusade rules were one of the tools GW used to flesh out interactions with Fallen. Even though I don't play them, I almost bought the dex just to see the full catalogue of Crusade options rather than the few that were previewed on Warcom.

 

Super curious. I get pretty much every Dwarf, so I will get to see what this is all about next month. Interest sufficiently peaked.



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Interesting idea, unless they do expand the options to a full army there doesnt seem much point in a dozen stratagems/relics etc so they might field a few Crusade rules instead. It kinda suits a very narrative army like Fallen, theyve never exactly been the powergamers choice :D 

More HQs would be nice though, maybe bikers? On the one hand it feels like they should remain a scattered band of individuals even more so then most renegades but on the other hand im a big fan of opening up options for folks.



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Finally, a reason to use up these last few DA bits I have in a baggie. Always liked Dark Angels, dont fancy starting another marine army though. I already have 3 Loyalist and 3 Chaos marine armies, so some Fallen would be perfect. 


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Even if they just redo the Fallen Angels detachment rules from Vigilus as a valid army for Matched Play instead of a Specialist Detachment (maybe an Army of Renown?) that would be OK, though it would be even cooler to see more. I'm going to laugh if there's an updated datasheet with 2 wounds per model and regular CSM still don't have that yet.


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Well the lore says the fallen are gathering in force now so maybe they'll get more options.

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Well the lore says the fallen are gathering in force now so maybe they'll get more options.

I've heard there are flying pigs too.

Sorcerors and Rhinos ala Vigilenece, Legion Tactics more inline with the new DA Dex, maybe a couple of Warlord Traits and, if we're lucky, allow CP to be refunded if every unit in a Vanguard is a Fallen unit. Anyone hoping for more than this is deluded and frankly it'll be a win if they get half of that.

Fallen should just been rolled into the next CSM codex as a defacto 10th Legion but the fact there getting WD content is probably a strong signifier that they won't. Oh well.

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Even if they just redo the Fallen Angels detachment rules from Vigilus as a valid army for Matched Play instead of a Specialist Detachment (maybe an Army of Renown?) that would be OK, though it would be even cooler to see more. I'm going to laugh if there's an updated datasheet with 2 wounds per model and regular CSM still don't have that yet.


A CSM Army of Renown that gets some DA flavor sprinkled on it would be awesome.

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I wish they would have rules for terminators, raptors and other heresy-era marine typical tools. We also know there have been fallen ships in the Eye, so there is room for larger force deployment. Similarly, a chance or opportunity to use more heresy minis would be nice.


Something which also allowed also that stereotypical image of a single Fallen working alongside other factions would be nice, more than just Cypher. Perhaps a kind of "hidden Fallen" strategem that players can use, replacing a character in their army with a Fallen.

Also as the fallen are heavily connected to Caliban, some sense of that world would be nice - be it post-industrialisation or the Order & forests themselves.
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Will the fallen be a Chaos or an Imperum faction? I wonder if they'll be a unique chapter tactic with a named HQ and unique rules or a mini Legion supplement?
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Will the fallen be a Chaos or an Imperum faction? I wonder if they'll be a unique chapter tactic with a named HQ and unique rules or a mini Legion supplement?

 

Actually that is a very good question. However here's the more interesting implication - If Fallen become Imperium - you can be 100% sure that will tie in to the appearance of the Lion very very soon. If they become Chaos, then effectively nothing changes, other than some minor lore developments. But keen to see where they head with this.


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If GW allow fallen copy/paste some DW/RW units and rules(no doctrines, nor relics so still strictly weaker than normal DA), they will be playable, and temporarily become…one of the strongest chaos space marine faction. Ironic!
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Will the fallen be a Chaos or an Imperum faction? I wonder if they'll be a unique chapter tactic with a named HQ and unique rules or a mini Legion supplement?

 

I think you should be able to choose either Imperium or Chaos keywords and ally accordingly.  Perhaps there could/will be a "Mark of Fallen" kind of mechanic where chaos units gain X ability, I feel Grim Resolve would be a little weak on its own.

 

Edit: removed rogue comma.


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