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WD Fallen Rules Soon?


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so nothing new and just reprints again?


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so nothing new and just reprints again?


That's the assumption. I think it will prove right. Just cashing in on re-prints.

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If that is the case then it's probably aimed at newer players.



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I saw the words "specialist detachment" and "formation"?!

I feel uncomfortable.


Nothing from 7th ed should ever be brought back to 40k. Nightmare fuel much.
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I saw the words "specialist detachment" and "formation"?!

I feel uncomfortable.


Nothing from 7th ed should ever be brought back to 40k. Nightmare fuel much.

 

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I saw the words "specialist detachment" and "formation"?!

I feel uncomfortable.


Nothing from 7th ed should ever be brought back to 40k. Nightmare fuel much.

 

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God no, they are such an awful mechanic, if anything id like em out of a few more games...

 

so nothing new and just reprints again?

They say there are new rules, but the stuff they mention sounds exactly like the previous bodge job. I think both sides of the optimism/pessimism posting have good points tbh.



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so nothing new and just reprints again?


It’s pure speculation. What would be the point, just so some people on the internet can say I told you so ? :D
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I have no problem with a reprint. It gives people a chance to get up to speed who don’t have Vigilus (only available as ePub) and doesn’t invalidate the rules for those who bought Vigilus. Of course it would be good if GW made it a bit clearer, so real Fallen die hards don’t make a special effort to buy White Dwarf to find nothing new.
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so nothing new and just reprints again?

I think there will be some tweaks to adapt to 9th like 2W and such but basically i think it will be just the same two datasheets of Cypher and Fallen squad
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I'm thinking Cypher, Fallen Squad Captainesque character, and Librarian/Sorcerer with access to either both the Librarius and Hereticus disciplines, and/or some sort of bespoke discipline. Maybe one or two each of bespoke WL Trait, Relic and Stratagem, and a limited list of Stratagems from those available to both CSM and SM. Also two wounds to bring them inline with the updated MEQ stats.

Edit: I think they'll be equivalent Harlequins, but for Imperial and Chaos factions instead of CW and Dark Eldar.

Edited by Captain Smashy Pants, 02 May 2021 - 07:56 AM.

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I do find it hilarious that some people were saying the size of newer marine stuff looks great next to regular humans like Cadians, and then GW upsized the humans so they are the same height as marines again :lol: :lol: :lol:


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So I've got some badass fallen that I jam in lists from time to time when I don't mind losing and wanna roll lots of overcharged rapid firing combi-plasmas.

Personally I'd like to see a special detachment that says if you take a detachment of fallen (like the old specialist detachment) you may take additional units such as;

+Daemon Prince (Who is visible in the picture fighting along side the fallen in the WHC article and it happened before, his name is Marbas. He and the changeling set Luther free I believe.)

+Sorcerer - Because Luther was... Maybe someone found that old Calibanite lore Luther studied? (Kick ass hook right there)

+Chaos Lord aka "Fallen Lord" - Your regular spikey daddy but with a hood.

+CSM
+Chaos Bikes
+Land Raider
+Predator
+Rhino
+And THAT GUY (White knights primarchs and sometimes is the "voice of the Emperor"... when its fun.)

It could be more of a renegade themed force with strats and relics designed to make up for the small range. (Similar to thousand sons. If memory serves, they only have 5 original kits)


That's my wish list anyways. I expect GW to give me the fallen angels 9th ed with nothing new but 2W and +1 to hit instead of reroll 1s for standing still. Oh and check muh dudez!

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Edited by Xenoscry, 04 May 2021 - 02:47 AM.

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So pre-orders are up in NZ. Any leaks yet?

I haven't found any.

Edited by GreaterChickenofTzeentch, 14 May 2021 - 10:59 PM.


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If your after fallen leaks it will be in a couple of days when subscribers get their copies of White Dwarf

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Have they pushed WD back a week or so? I'm sure I got last months before my shop reopened (on the 12th) and vaguely seem to recall that march's came in the first week too?



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Yeah i was expecting mine this week but tbh im only a recent subscriber so no good idea when they are due :D 



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The WD pre-order page shows the Ancient Enimity strategem which is an exact reprint of the strategem found in the specialist detachment, so dont get your hopes up.

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Have they pushed WD back a week or so? I'm sure I got last months before my shop reopened (on the 12th) and vaguely seem to recall that march's came in the first week too?


Subscriber copies tend to arrive in the week before they go on general sale, so that'd be from this coming Monday.

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I’m optimistic but also feel like a tweaked reprint is what we’ll be looking at...

I would just love to get a few basic options like terminators (or even captains in termie armour), land raiders, bikes etc... stuff that could reasonably be maintained over 40k version of 10k years. But ya’know not going to hold my breath!

Wondering when the digital copy will be downloadable?

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I have a fresh rumor that the rules are totally baller now .
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New White Dwarf in hand. Yeah, not much here, basically everything from Vigilus Ablaze. No datasheets. Just two pages of rules. Meanwhile, the Index Hereticus narrative section gets eight pages.

 

A Fallen specialist detachment (FALLEN, Sorcerer, and Chaos Rhino units only need apply).

 

A strat to enable said detachment (same name as the Vigilus Ablaze strat - FALLEN ANGELS).

 

Agent of Discord aura ability for Cypher (again).

 

Two Fallen strats (same two from Vigilus Ablaze).

 

Caliban Steel Blade relic (again).

 

In actual interesting news, there are some included cards for the Fallen, Emperor's Spears, and Exorcists stratagems. Nothing for Silver Templars or Tome Keepers, who also got 9th-Ed WD articles (did they get cards in an earlier issue?)


Edited by Lord Nord, 15 May 2021 - 11:06 PM.

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I wouldn't even gatekeep you.


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New White Dwarf in hand. Yeah, not much here, basically everything from Vigilus Ablaze. No datasheets. Just two pages of rules. Meanwhile, the Index Hereticus narrative section gets eight pages.

A Fallen specialist detachment (FALLEN, Sorcerer, and Chaos Rhino units only need apply).

A strat to enable said detachment (same name as the Vigilus Ablaze strat - FALLEN ANGELS).

Agent of Discord aura ability for Cypher (again).

Two Fallen strats (same two from Vigilus Ablaze).

Caliban Steel Blade relic (again).

In actual interesting news, there are some included cards for the Fallen, Emperor's Spears, and Exorcists stratagems. Nothing for Silver Templars or Tome Keepers, who also got 9th-Ed WD articles (did they get cards in an earlier issue?)


That's expected and disappointing.

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So Fallen cost 4 CP to run?
3 for Vanguard, 1 for strat?

Fallen are dead.

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So Fallen cost 4 CP to run?
3 for Vanguard, 1 for strat?

Fallen are dead.

 

Yeah, the detachment strat costs 1 CP and there's no mention of any kind of refund for the cost of the Vanguard detachment.


Edited by Lord Nord, 16 May 2021 - 12:28 AM.

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Jesus wept, i mean i anticipate GW overhyping stuff but this is ridiculous even for them! Put them on the cover of White dwarf, chuck in a load of page count on fluff and modelling but keep them unplayable? I mean if they havent even fixed the relic that is worse than the item it replaces or that they are using a mechanic their own rules pack banned... 

*headdesk*

Id been painting some to potentially run as a Crusade force but honestly im mostly glad i didnt get suckered into spending more than a couple of quid on some shoulderpads, so its just my feelings hurt, not my wallet, but i did have some bikes, a sorcerer and a couple of rhinos in basket, thought id better wait just in case luckily.

Its just..... Why? Like the White Dwarf and background writers put in some efforts to do this thing, even just a tweak to the worthless relic or some tweak to army building so they arent just a massive drain of Command points or might even work as a force? 

Gah, this has been a long and :cussty day.

 


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Wow....so they kept them as a Specialist Detachment even though you can't use those in GT missions...ouch.

Maybe the 2021 pack will allow them again now that the new Codexes are tough enough to stack up against the few OP things they had and some of the old Codexes sorely need them to compete?




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