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Believe it or not, this is actually a project I've wanted to do for ages. Whilst I realise the limitations to a list such as this, I feel that it is capable in many other ways from a conventional Marine list and remarkably fluffy.

 

1000 points, Baal Strike Force

 

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Captain

~ Artificier Armour

~ Combi-melta, relic blade, melta bombs, auspex

~ Storm shield or Veritas Vitae

~ Warlord

 

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Command Squad

~ Meltagun (3)

~ Drop Pod

 

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Scout Squad (10)

~ Sniper rifle (8)

~ Heavy bolter with hellfire shells

~ Boltgun, melta bombs

 

Scout Squad (10)

~ Bolt pistol, close combat weapon (7)

~ Shotgun (2)

~ Veteran Sergeant, melta bombs, bolt pistol, chainsword

 

Scout Squad (10)

~ Bolt pistol, close combat weapon (7)

~ Shotgun (2)

~ Veteran Sergeant, melta bombs, bolt pistol, chainsword

 

Scout Squad (10)

~ Boltgun (9)

~ Boltgun, melta bombs

 

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Scout Bike Squadron (3)

~ Astartes grenade launcher (2)

~ Combi-grav, melta bombs

 

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Tarantula Sentry Gun Battery (2)

~ Twin-linked lascannon, camo netting (1)

~ Multi-melta, searchlight, camo netting (1)

 

Options

Captain will arrive with the Command Squad as this is the best way to keep up with the Scouts. Torn between a storm shield (with this being my only real "beat" squad, I'll probably need to tank stuff) and the Veritas Vitae for that tactical advantage (thinking here to Infiltrate the Tarantulas, possibility of getting Night fight, Stealth in Ruins across the board, and/or other such stuff). Bikes will either Outflank or Scout to make use of the combi-grav. Not sure what best synergises with the grenade launcher though...

 

I've also opted for a BSF to make use of the two (possibly four) combat Scout Squads. Whilst I could use a CAD with potentially eight Objective Secured Squads, I don't feel that they have the durability to pull it off, even if the stars align and I get Stealth everywhere.

 

One interesting twist is that I could trim the "shooty units" from above and use it in conjunction with the 10th Company Task Force from Codex: Space Marines. This could represent the "Elite Scouts" of the BA army and I could even use Telion to represent Captain Borgio of our 10th Company.

 

Thoughts?


Edited by Jolemai, 22 October 2017 - 08:22 PM.

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How are you getting the turrets on the board/ get the melta in range, or do they deep strike? 


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How are you getting the turrets on the board/ get the melta in range, or do they deep strike? 

 

With Tarantulas you get two options: either you Deep Strike them or you can give them camo netting (Stealth) which means starting on the board. By using the Veritas Vitae I maximise the chance of getting the Warlord Trait that allows me to Infiltrate them, thus negating the melta concern.

 

Alternatively, I drop a melta bomb upgrade on the sniper Scouts and take two TLLC Tarantulas.


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It would probably be best to drop the melta bombs on the sniper squad and get TLLC as anything the melta's are meant for probably won't come anywhere near them unless its like a dreadnought on a drop pod.


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It would probably be best to drop the melta bombs on the sniper squad and get TLLC as anything the melta's are meant for probably won't come anywhere near them unless its like a dreadnought on a drop pod.

 

Could do, but given that the upgrades cost the same and that they act autonomously anyway, I could take the MM in a different slot and drop it in...


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I like it, very fluffy and fun. I think it'll be surprisingly effective too...!

 

Telion is very cool, but much better as a warlord because of his trait. Stick him next to some Vanilla whirlwinds and have fun:

 

S4 AP5 Rend/ Shred/ Pin/ Ignore Cover Large Blasts!

 

But then you lose the BA Flair. Honestly at this points level just the massed scouts with furious charge hitting the enemy will probably do some real damage, especially with tooled up Sarges.


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Woah blink.png  A Command Squad and Sentry guns?!  Maybe I'm not looking everywhere, but that seems original.


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Woah blink.png  A Command Squad and Sentry guns?!  Maybe I'm not looking everywhere, but that seems original.

 

It's all in C:BA bar the Tarantulas which are in Imperial Armour volume II Second Edition - War Machines of the Adeptus Astartes. If you're bored/interested there's a guide/review thingy here - just bear in mind that the article has a heavy BA slant.


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Don't Tarantulas have a maximum range of 18" no matter what you put on them? Or is that only if you want 360 degree coverage?
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Woah blink.png  A Command Squad and Sentry guns?!  Maybe I'm not looking everywhere, but that seems original.

 

It's all in C:BA bar the Tarantulas which are in Imperial Armour volume II Second Edition - War Machines of the Adeptus Astartes. If you're bored/interested there's a guide/review thingy here - just bear in mind that the article has a heavy BA slant.

 

 

Oh yeah, the units are well known to me, but together in a list?  That's seems different to me.  The list is inspirational in that it seems out-of-the-box ... and I have a lot f Scouts and Tarantula guns ;)


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Don't Tarantulas have a maximum range of 18" no matter what you put on them? Or is that only if you want 360 degree coverage?

 
Only if you want a 360° coverage. Otherwise it's 36" with a fixed 90° arc.


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What do the guns run you points wise, I think a MM dread dropping in could make an interesting addition to this list.

Give you a bit of flexibility for who to drop in first too...

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What do the guns run you points wise, I think a MM dread dropping in could make an interesting addition to this list.

Give you a bit of flexibility for who to drop in first too...

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The TLLC and camp netting is seven melta bombs. The MM version is one melts bomb less.

So other than the points difference, I'm not sure how fluffy a Dreadnought would be as I don't believe the 10th Company have them...

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True, but in my mind it was an old mentor type keeping an eye on the young scallywags.

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I think your better off with a CAD, getting re-rolls on strategic and with that many scouts obsec is pretty strong. If you pickup stealth ruins trait your scouts should have good staying power vs many shooty lists.


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I'm always a bit iffy with Objective Secured as I've never really needed it. However STR 5 INT 5 Blood Angels on the charge... wub.png As for the re-rolls, it depends if I really need them when I'm rolling on there twice already...


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If you can find the points for a second HQ, you could put the shooty scouts in a CAD with the captain for super veritas rolls and still keep the S/I 5 scouts in the BSF :D


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Got a 1k game booked in so I thought I'd revamp this and see how it would do in the 8th Edition. I've tried to keep it as close to the original as possible - oh, and the game is scheduled for the 28th:

 

1000 points, Blood Angels

Battalion Detachment

 

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Captain

~ Combi-melta, relic blade

 

Chaplain

~ Combi-melta

 

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Company Veterans (2)

~ Chainsword, combi-melta (2)

~ Drop Pod

~~ Deathwind missile launcher

 

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Scouts (10)

~ Boltgun (9)

~ Heavy bolter (1)

 

Scouts (10)

~ Combat weapons (8)

~ Shotgun (2)

 

Scouts (10)

~ Camo cloak, sniper rifle (9)

~ Camo cloak, missile launcher (1)

 

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Scout Bike Squad (3)

~ Grenade launcher (2)

 

Tarantula Sentry Gun

~ Twin heavy bolter

 

Tarantula Sentry Gun

~ Twin lascannon

 

 

Thoughts:

  • 30 Scouts to either be split into combat squads or to stick together. Likely to break down the snipers and *maybe* the bolters.

  • Pod arrives with all the meltas for anything tasty - would plasmas and sticking the Pod's stormbolter be better this edition?

  • Bikes harass chaff - opted for the stronger weaponry over extra shots in case it's needed...?

  • Tarantulas for some cheap heavy weapons


Edited by Jolemai, 22 October 2017 - 08:23 PM.

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Interesting list. I don't think it's extremely strong for 1k points but if you can keep the Scouts in cover it should be fine (really, I do think the game could stand or fall depending on cover...which would seriously suck against Imperial Fists, Iron Warriors or T'au with enough Markerlights).
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Maybe, not sure how I'm going to make it stronger and remain within my theme though. At least I won't be up against any of those armies you've mentioned anytime soon.

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Yeah it's kinda hard to make a themed and competetive army with such a limited unit choice. Ask me how my Kroot army goes. :D
Anyway, looking forward to hear how the list performed.


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So yeah, I never got around to writing that up. It's on my to-do list...

 

Anyway, I had a game with this last night and i'm posting the list here for posterity (and to link it to the report that will eventually be done...) Changes in red:

 

 

 

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Captain

~ Combi-melta, relic blade

~ Warlord: Artisan of War

~ Veritas Vitae

 

Chaplain

~ Combi-melta

 

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Company Veterans (3)

~ Chainsword, combi-melta (2)

~ Chainsword, combi-grav

~ Drop Pod

~~ Storm bolter

 

Troops.gif

 

Scouts (6)

~ Chainsword, storm bolter

~ Boltgun (3)

~ Combat knife (1)

~ Heavy bolter (1)

 

Scouts (7)

Chainsword, bolt pistol

~ Combat weapons (6)

 

Scouts (7)

Chainsword, bolt pistol

~ Combat weapons (3)

~ Shtogun (3)

 

Scouts (10)

~ Camo cloak, sniper rifle, chainsword

~ Camo cloak, sniper rifle (8)

~ Camo cloak, missile launcher (1)

 

FA.gif

 

Scout Bike Squad (3)

 

Tarantula Sentry Gun

~ Twin heavy bolter

 

Tarantula Sentry Gun

~ Twin lascannon

 

 

 

Right. Most of the changes are moving to Codex from Index, but I was up against a chap playing his first 8th edition game so I wanted it to be as WYSIWYG as possible for ease of playing. Hence, the choppy Squad has been split into two and the bolter Squad has been reduced somewhat. As the list evolves I'll likely make further changes as I use it so I'm happy to hear any C&C - just remember that its a themed list so it has to fit with a Scout force!


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So yeah, I never got around to writing that up. It's on my to-do list...

 

Anyway, I had a game with this last night and i'm posting the list here for posterity (and to link it to the report that will eventually be done...) Changes in red:

 



 

 

1000 points, Blood Angels

Battalion Detachment

 

HQ.gif

 

Captain

~ Combi-melta, relic blade

~ Warlord: Artisan of War

~ Veritas Vitae

 

Chaplain

~ Combi-melta

 

Elite.gif

 

Company Veterans (3)

~ Chainsword, combi-melta (2)

~ Chainsword, combi-grav

~ Drop Pod

~~ Storm bolter

 

Troops.gif

 

Scouts (6)

~ Chainsword, storm bolter

~ Boltgun (3)

~ Combat knife (1)

~ Heavy bolter (1)

 

Scouts (7)

Chainsword, bolt pistol

~ Combat weapons (6)

 

Scouts (7)

Chainsword, bolt pistol

~ Combat weapons (3)

~ Shtogun (3)

 

Scouts (10)

~ Camo cloak, sniper rifle, chainsword

~ Camo cloak, sniper rifle (8)

~ Camo cloak, missile launcher (1)

 

FA.gif

 

Scout Bike Squad (3)

 

Tarantula Sentry Gun

~ Twin heavy bolter

 

Tarantula Sentry Gun

~ Twin lascannon

 

 

 

Right. Most of the changes are moving to Codex from Index, but I was up against a chap playing his first 8th edition game so I wanted it to be as WYSIWYG as possible for ease of playing. Hence, the choppy Squad has been split into two and the bolter Squad has been reduced somewhat. As the list evolves I'll likely make further changes as I use it so I'm happy to hear any C&C - just remember that its a themed list so it has to fit with a Scout force!

 

Battle report to see how it got on.


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Spur of the moment game last night, went with the following updated list (changes in red):

 



 

 

1000 points, Scout List

Blood Angels Battalion Detachment

 

HQ.gif

 

Captain

~ Combi-melta, relic blade

~ Vertias Vitae

~ Warlord: Artisan of War

 

Chaplain

~ Bolter

 

Elite.gif

 

Company Veterans (3)

~ Chainsword, combi-melta (2)

~ Chainsword, storm shield (1)

 

Troops.gif

 

Scouts (5)

~ Chainsword, storm bolter

~ Boltgun (3)

~ Heavy bolter (1)

 

Scouts (5)

~ Chainsword, storm bolter

~ Combat blade, bolt pistol (1)

~ Shotgun (3)

 

Scouts (6)

~ Chainsword, storm bolter

~ Combat blade, bolt pistol (5)

 

Scouts (8)

~ Camo cloak, combi-flamer, chainsword

~ Camo cloak, sniper rifle (6)

~ Camo cloak, missile launcher (1)

 

 

Blood Angels Vanguard Detachment

 

HQ.gif

 

Sanguinary Priest

~ Power sword, bolt pistol

 

FA.gif

 

Deathstorm Drop Pod

~ Deathstorm cannon array

 

Tarantula Sentry Gun

~ Twin assault cannon

 

Tarantula Sentry Gun

~ Twin lascannon

 

 

Musings

  • CP increased to 9 with two Detachments. Needed a new HQ hence the Priest (theme-wise I figure Scouts will have their own Apothecary to monitor them and train any Novitaes)
  • WYSIWYG as much as possible, hence the weapon downgrades and no Scout Bikes sleepnew.pngthough I have consistently put storm bolters on the sergeants to make up the points...
  • I figured a Deathstorm Pod would be fluffy and I've always wanted to try one...
  • Assault cannons over heavy bolters for more dakka, target control, etc.
  • Concerns are that I'm still relying on too many immobile units (4) and I'm too light up top. Also, the command is on foot (hence the storm shield) so I don't know how they will do...


Edited by Jolemai, 01 October 2018 - 08:46 AM.

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Report for that list here


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