Shadowspear officially dropped today, the rumour-thread has been locked (as to be expected) and the intro-thread has seemingly turned into a thread about anything but vanguard-marines...
So I thought we needed a tactica thread for our new toys!
Do you plan on fielding the new Vanguard units? How and in what way?
I haven't given it that much thought myself yet but;
*I can't see myself using the Captain or Lieutenant in my Salamanders. I don't infiltrate enough to warrant the investment of a forwards RoB/TP-bubble, and the lack of proper weapons on the two HQ's is a massive turnoff for me.
*I'm absolutely in love with the new Librarian and I love the discipline. This guy will most likely become a regular in my lists, along with Armour Indomitus for that sweet 0+ save in cover and the inv-save in a pinch. Step aside Bike-captain, there's a new HQ in town!
*Infiltrators are imo in a rough spot, and I expect them to drop at least 2 ppm in cost in the next update. I like the concept, I like the models, but I don't think they're worth 5 ppm more than Intercessors. With that said, I can see uses for them, and despite their pricetag I will probably play with a unit on occasion.
*Suppressors are...weird, but not necessarily bad. Their cost seems about right for a jump-primaris with a pimped out autocannon. I'd probably either keep them in reserve to make sure they don't get shot of the table before doing something useful though, because they are very fragile for their cost.
Suppressing fire is a gimmick (how often do you want to shot AP2 Autocannons at the stuff you want to supress, i.e. infantry?), but I can see a use for it as well.
*Eliminators seems great. I love the models and the concept. Great utility and a cheap Heavy Support-choice in general. The comparison to the new Vindicare is a fair one, but both have their pro's and con's. The Vindicare is better at killing though infantry-characters for sure, but at the same time, he dreams about having a 1+ save, being able to curve bullets and not being useless against GEQ-spamm.
*The Obscuration discipline is interesting, and if nothing else, imo way more flavorful than our extremely dull Librarius(?)-discipline.
- Shrouding and Temporal Corridor seems very situational and I can't personally see myself ever picking these two powers unless I for some reason have 3 Phobos-librarians in my list (which will most likely never happen).
- Scryer's Gaze isn't terrible on a large unit of Infiltrators, but I wish it affected melee-units as well so that I had a reason to field my 10 Reivers.
- Hallucination, Tenebrous Curse and Mind Raid will probably become my new go-to psychic powers however. I can see myself using them in most lists and against most opponents. (Well, Tenebrous Curse is somewhat situational I suppose, depending on if your opponent has any melee-units that you want to lock down or not.)
*Our new Warlord Traits are a mixed bag, as expected I suppose.
- Shoot and Fade would be interesting if the character wasn't forced to advance afterwards, and/or if our phobos-characters actually had any decent weapons, but alas, they don't. Skip.
- Princeps of Deceit allows us to use some Eldar trickery. Not bad, but not something I will use.
- Master of the Vanguard is amazing! At least for me, since I like to field plenty of Dreadnoughts and melee-units in my lists. Finally something that gives me increased movement and charge-distance. Infiltrating/Deepstriking melee-units will absolutely love a Warlord with this trait.
- Stealth Adept isn't terrible and I can see Raven Guard-players using this, but I personally don't really want my opponents to be able to target my characters in the first place.
- Target Priority is another amazing trait, and if I'm not using a Chapter Master on Bike as my Warlord (+1W / 6+++ trait), or using Master of the Vanguard on my Librarian, this will probably be my go-to trait. Giving a unit +1 to hit is good no matter how you look at it. This is probably the best way to field the new Phobos Captain: Stand next to a friendly unit and watch as it hits on 2+, rerolling 1's.
- Markman's Honours. Would be amazing if my Warlord was a Tau Commander. Sadly it's a Marine HQ with a S4 bolt-weapon. The comment about how the trait "applies to chapter relics" is weird to me because as I read it, the only relic the Phobos characters can swap to is the Imperial Fist-pistol. Massive skip on this one.
That's my take on the Vanguard units. Feel free to post your own thoughts and opinions.
Edited by Minsc, 16 March 2019 - 10:37 AM.