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Founding: M38
Primarch: Roboute Guilliman
In M38, the first chosen mission was to help push against a rebellion in the Eastern Fringes. Upon arriving to the Esquell Sector, the chapter immeaditly noticed that a good portion of it was shrouded in a nebula named the Halberd Nebula. The nebula proved difficult to perform recon in, and so the rebel forces destroyed a good portion of their navy before they even made it to the first world. Realizing that this mission was going to be taxing upon their resources, Chapter Master Thraxx Valoulon decided it was best to claim the nearest Forge World before continuing on. After winning Forge World Minosquire from the Nebula-wide rebellion, the Cobalt Crusaders began a war of attrition against the rebels.

In 984.M39 a massive operation commenced. The Feudal World of Aganoth was revealed by loyalist forces to be a secret munitions depot and construction world, and the local population was abducted to work in the Manufactorums and the mines. The third, the sixth, and the eighth companies were all assigned to the complete takeover of the planet. The campaign lasted six months, with the abducted slaves liberated and the munitions turned over to the locals, essentially arming them against the rebellion and boosting them in technology by thousands of years. The people of Aganoth praised the Cobalt Crusaders as their liberators and guardians, and so a Fortress Monastary was built upon the world. This victory managed to slow the rebellion, and started the decline of power the rebels had.

As the end of the rebellion seemed upon the citizens of the Halberd Nebula in 999.M41, the Great Rift opened, and the entire Nebula went dark. The fleet was scattered, and Aganoth was quiet. Eventually, each ship started to find one another, and half of the chapter was reunited with itself. They began retaking a handful of worlds not from the rebels, who also saw a minor boost, but daemon invaders from the Rift.

After reclaiming Forge World Minosquire from reinvigorated but desperate rebel forces, the Cobalt Crusaders were met by the Indominus Crusade, and given Primaris reinforcements and the technology to create new primaris space marines.

Finally, after one hundred years, Aganoth was rediscovered. The chapter master was found dead, the Fortress Monastary was mere rubble, and the Gene-seed stock was missing or corrupted. Completely reliant on the few gene-seed stocks stored on their heavy cruiser, the Flight of Eagles, and the primaris stock, the chapter's future looked bleak, but yet slightly hopeful. Their war with a renewed rebellion seems inevitable, their progress reverted by a thousand years, the daemon invaders will not yield, and the Tau Empire have been found scouting the outskirts of the nebula, but with the powerful new technologies of Cawl and the Indominus Crusade itself, the Cobalt Crusaders will hold the line.

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You're off to a good start.

The Feudal World of Aganoth was revealed by loyalist forces to be a secret munitions depot and construction world,

To avoid confusion, maybe the sentence should be rewritten as "Interrogation of rebel prisoners revealed the feudal world of Aganoth hid multiple munitions manufactories and depots beneath its surface"?
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You're off to a good start.

The Feudal World of Aganoth was revealed by loyalist forces to be a secret munitions depot and construction world,

To avoid confusion, maybe the sentence should be rewritten as "Interrogation of rebel prisoners revealed the feudal world of Aganoth hid multiple munitions manufactories and depots beneath its surface"?
Good idea. I'll add it in the next time I can. What else should I add?

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Completely reliant on the few gene-seed stocks stored on their heavy cruiser

Why are the Marines using a heavy cruiser instead of a strike cruiser (specifically designed to support Marines) or a battlecruiser (which would be unusual, but possibly justifiable, due to the ship's speed and the sheer firepower)?

I joked the Tau possess an STC for railgun-armed hovertanks, as the Hammerhead gunship resembles the light tank from the 1982 movie Tron. Maybe claim the Chapter recovered an STC fragment from a Tau forge ship equivalent, to justify having railgun-armed Repulsor variants?
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Completely reliant on the few gene-seed stocks stored on their heavy cruiser

Why are the Marines using a heavy cruiser instead of a strike cruiser (specifically designed to support Marines) or a battlecruiser (which would be unusual, but possibly justifiable, due to the ship's speed and the sheer firepower)?

I joked the Tau possess an STC for railgun-armed hovertanks, as the Hammerhead gunship resembles the light tank from the 1982 movie Tron. Maybe claim the Chapter recovered an STC fragment from a Tau forge ship equivalent, to justify having railgun-armed Repulsor variants?
The Great Rift caught them off-guard, so they have to make due with the resources at their disposal. And why would they want xeno tech?

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The joke is railgun-armed Hammerhead gunships are NOT the products of xeno tech, but of long-lost human tech the Tau stole from its rightful owners.

As for the Chapter using a heavy cruiser instead of a more suitable strike cruiser or battlecruiser, "the Great Rift caught them off guard" is believable, but your IA should specify this is the case.

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Maybe they lost there apporiate Strike Cruiser due the Warp Rift.

The Heavy Cruiser was simply taken from the Navy in one or another Way.
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Maybe they lost there apporiate Strike Cruiser due the Warp Rift.


As good an explanation as any. Say the "heavy cruiser" is actually a modified frigate- say a Nova class ship that was "stretched" to accommodate a modest flight deck, so she may support Astartes boarding and landing operations- intended to serve as the strike cruiser's escort. When the strike cruiser herself is lost- because the shipyard was destroyed when the Great Rift opened, "lost in the Warp" en route to Aganoth, or due to an enemy attack- the Cobalt Crusaders are forced to make do.
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My proposal for an Astartes heavy cruiser, to fit Bruce Malcom's IA:

The Flight of Falcons class heavy cruiser is an M41 addition to the Astartes arsenal. Based on the Nova class frigate, with her hull extended to accomodate a modest flight deck capable of supporting one Thunderhawk gunship squadron (12 heavy aerospace craft), the design shares the Nova class' armament of three forward-firing lance cannons (one bow-mounted, one port-mounted, one starboard-mounted), one port and one starboard weapons batteries, and a point defense turret.

The Lexicanum article claims the Nova class is armed with "a single turret-mounted lance in the prow of the ship, able to fire to the sides, and in front of the ship, and two small weapons batteries, also turret mounted." However, we clearly see three forward-firing lances and a single dorsal turret on the model and its illustrations.

The additional weight cost the Flight of Falcons much of the Nova class' maneuverability, though fortunately, little of the frigate's speed; in Ultramarines Captain Uriel Ventris' words, "The Flight of Falcons shoots forth like a boltshell. Her shipmaster's aim must be true, for once her engines ignite, there is no turning to port or starboard." The Astartes deemed this flaw an acceptable compromise, as the ship was intended to serve as a "stopgap," allowing the loyalist Chapters to maintain fleet numbers before the Adeptus Mechanicus designed a flawless replacement; with Cadia's Fall, the Great Rift's opening, and the resulting strain on all Imperial forces, the Flight of Falcons class ships were forced to serve past their intended time of retirement, though with the Emperor and the Omnissiah's blessings, the design proved up to the challenge.

The Flight of Eagles is Primaris-optimized subclass the Primarch Guilliman ordered over the objection of Archmagos Cawl, who insisted on an all-new design worthy of Primaris Marines; she shares the strengths and weaknesses of the Flight of Falcons. The first in class was completed in 060.M42 for the Ultramarines, but they transferred the ship to their brothers in the Cobalt Crusaders Successor Chapter in the same year, to support the latter's efforts in the Indomitus Crusade. The Cobalt Crusaders were forced to use the Flight of Eagles as a flagship and spaceborne fortress-monastery, after the loss of the strike cruiser allocated to them; fortunately, the ship and her masters were able to meet the challenges they faced.

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My proposal for an Astartes heavy cruiser, to fit Bruce Malcom's IA:

The Flight of Falcons class heavy cruiser is an M41 addition to the Astartes arsenal. Based on the Nova class frigate, with her hull extended to accomodate a modest flight deck capable of supporting one Thunderhawk gunship squadron (12 heavy aerospace craft), the design shares the Nova class' armament of three forward-firing lance cannons (one bow-mounted, one port-mounted, one starboard-mounted), one port and one starboard two weapons batteries, and a point defense turret.

The Lexicanum article claims the Nova class is armed with "a single turret-mounted lance in the prow of the ship, able to fire to the sides, and in front of the ship, and two small weapons batteries, also turret mounted." However, we clearly see three forward-firing lances and a single dorsal turret on the model and its illustrations.

The additional weight cost the Flight of Falcons much of the Nova class' maneuverability, though fortunately, little of the frigate's speed; in Ultramarines Captain Uriel Ventris' words, "The Flight of Falcons shoots forth like a boltshell. Her shipmaster's aim must be true, for once her engines ignite, there is no turning to port or starboard." The Astartes deemed this flaw an acceptable compromise, as the ship was intended to serve as a "stopgap," allowing the loyalist Chapters to maintain fleet numbers before the Adeptus Mechanicus designed a flawless replacement; with Cadia's Fall, the Great Rift's opening, and the resulting strain on all Imperial forces, the Flight of Falcons class ships were forced to serve past their intended time of retirement, though with the Emperor and the Omnissiah's blessings, the design proved up to the challenge.

The Flight of Eagles is Primaris-optimized subclass the Primarch Guilliman ordered over the objection of Archmagos Cawl, who insisted on an all-new design worthy of Primaris Marines; she shares the strengths and weaknesses of the Flight of Falcons. The first in class was completed in 060.M42 for the Ultramarines, but they transferred the ship to their brothers in the Cobalt Crusaders Successor Chapter in the same year, to support the latter's efforts in the Indomitus Crusade. The Cobalt Crusaders were forced to use the Flight of Eagles as a flagship and spaceborne fortress-monastery, after the loss of the strike cruiser allocated to them; fortunately, the ship and her masters were able to meet the challenges they faced.
Wow. There's certainly a chunk of lore. If I may, I'll use it. Think they have a BFG model suitable for the ship?

Also I feel like, unless its my character, if I quote a Ultramarine or Templar or whatever I feel like they don't sound right. Do they sound the same, 30k marines and 40k marines?

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A Google search reveals physical models of the Nova class frigate were made. Here's hoping the model is easy to kitbash into something appropriate for your needs.

As for differences in M30 and M40 Marines, I'm certain the M30 Marines will NOT share their M40 counterparts' lack of care when unaugmented humans refer to the "God-Emperor" (His Immortal Majesty was explicitly an atheist, and enforced the same upon His subjects, to the point of imprisoning them for worshipping Him). They may even refer to "Loyalist Legions" instead of "Loyalist Chapters," wonder why their M40 counterparts become visibly upset, and then remember Guilliman specifically ordered all Legions broken up to deny any individual the power Horus used to devastate the Imperium. M30 Marines may refer to what in M40 are rare and priceless relics, as if they're common and expendable (they were, back in M30); they will likely be confused and relatively helpless when faced with the Tau (didn't exist in M30), Genestealers and Tyranids (which the M30 Imperium had yet to encounter).

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Yet another rad IA draft from Brother Brucethumbsup.gif

 

I have some observations on your Flight of Falcons (cool name btw) Heavy Cruisersweat.gif On the whole, this is a fine conceptyes.gif However, the engineering needs a little tweakingeek.gif.....

 

 

 

My proposal for an Astartes heavy cruiser, to fit Bruce Malcom's IA:

The Flight of Falcons class heavy cruiser is an M41 addition to the Astartes arsenal. Based on the Nova class frigate, with her hull extended to accomodate a modest flight deck capable of supporting one Thunderhawk gunship squadron (12 heavy aerospace craft), the design shares the Nova class' armament of three forward-firing lance cannons (one bow-mounted, one port-mounted, one starboard-mounted), one port and one starboard weapons batteries, and a point defense turret.

The Lexicanum article claims the Nova class is armed with "a single turret-mounted lance in the prow of the ship, able to fire to the sides, and in front of the ship, and two small weapons batteries, also turret mounted." However, we clearly see three forward-firing lances and a single dorsal turret on the model and its illustrations.

The additional weight cost the Flight of Falcons much of the Nova class' maneuverability, though fortunately, little of the frigate's speed; in Ultramarines Captain Uriel Ventris' words, "The Flight of Falcons shoots forth like a boltshell. Her shipmaster's aim must be true, for once her engines ignite, there is no turning to port or starboard." The Astartes deemed this flaw an acceptable compromise, as the ship was intended to serve as a "stopgap," allowing the loyalist Chapters to maintain fleet numbers before the Adeptus Mechanicus designed a flawless replacement; with Cadia's Fall, the Great Rift's opening, and the resulting strain on all Imperial forces, the Flight of Falcons class ships were forced to serve past their intended time of retirement, though with the Emperor and the Omnissiah's blessings, the design proved up to the challenge.

The Flight of Eagles is Primaris-optimized subclass the Primarch Guilliman ordered over the objection of Archmagos Cawl, who insisted on an all-new design worthy of Primaris Marines; she shares the strengths and weaknesses of the Flight of Falcons. The first in class was completed in 060.M42 for the Ultramarines, but they transferred the ship to their brothers in the Cobalt Crusaders Successor Chapter in the same year, to support the latter's efforts in the Indomitus Crusade. The Cobalt Crusaders were forced to use the Flight of Eagles as a flagship and spaceborne fortress-monastery, after the loss of the strike cruiser allocated to them; fortunately, the ship and her masters were able to meet the challenges they faced.

 

 

Using early 20th Century era US Navy ships as examples, by using a Nova class frigate as your base to create a heavy cruiser, you are essentially using.....

 

this* USS_Peoria_%28PF-67%29.jpg to make 

 

this** 800px-USS_Baltimore_%28CA-68%29_anchored

 

A heavy cruiser is going to have at least ten times the displacement mass of a frigate/destroyer. You can't simply extend and add on. The moment such a vessel makes a maneuver under it's own power it's going to break in half and then bad things would happenfacepalm.png Your best bet is to modify an existing Imperial heavy cruiser. I'm sure the Cobalt Crusaders have salvaged a few of these after a space battle for just such a rainy day. The concept is a sound one. You just need to change out ships you are going to modify.

 

*  USS Peoria (PF-67)

** USS Baltimore (CA-68)


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Using early 20th Century era US Navy ships as examples, by using a Nova class frigate as your base to create a heavy cruiser, you are essentially using.....

this* USS_Peoria_%28PF-67%29.jpg to make

this** 800px-USS_Baltimore_%28CA-68%29_anchored

A heavy cruiser is going to have at least ten times the displacement mass of a frigate/destroyer. You can't simply extend and add on. The moment such a vessel makes a maneuver under it's own power it's going to break in half and then bad things would happenfacepalm.png Your best bet is to modify an existing Imperial heavy cruiser. I'm sure the Cobalt Crusaders have salvaged a few of these after a space battle for just such a rainy day. The concept is a sound one. You just need to change out ships you are going to modify.

* USS Peoria (PF-67)
** USS Baltimore (CA-68)

Good point. The US Navy's post-war shenanigans regarding cruisers was what gave me the idea of stretching a frigate into one. For example, the USS Long Beach (CGN-9):

Long Beach was originally intended to be a smaller frigate, but was then redesigned and expanded to a cruiser hull, allowing for an open space just aft of the bridge "box".

The USS Leahy (CG-16):

Named for Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy, she was commissioned on 4 August 1962 as DLG-16, a guided missile frigate, and reclassified as CG-16, a guided missile cruiser, on 30 June 1975.

The USS Bainbridge (CGN-25):

With her original hull classification symbol of DLGN (nuclear-powered guided missile destroyer leader, called a "frigate" at the time), she was the first nuclear-powered destroyer-type ship in the US Navy, and shared her name with the lead ship of the first US Navy destroyer class, the Bainbridge-class destroyers...

Bainbridge was re-designated as a guided missile cruiser in 1975.

I shouldn't expect Space Marines to jump through the same stupid semantic hoops the USN did to convince Congress to fund its shipbuilding programs. The AdMech, on the other hand...

Chapter Master Calgar (speaking in 850.M41): "The Flight of Falcons is but a frigate. Why should the Ultramarines accept it as a 'heavy cruiser'?"

Fabricator-General: "The shipyards in the four sectors bordering Ultramar, must demonstrate the ability to build cruiser-sized vessels, to win sufficient funding from the Administratum to remain open. We cannot afford to let such gifts from the Omnissiah, to close down for lack of work."
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Don't get me started on the history of modern weapon system design, development, and procurement..... I've been therefacepalm.pngteehee.gif  

 

So..... the Flight of Falcons is.....?......a satirical symbol of administrative nonsense?


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The Flight of Falcons is an antler. From Norse myths regarding Frey:

According to the Prose Edda, Freyr had to fight Beli without his sword and slew him with an antler.

A proper strike cruiser is a Space Marine fleet's sword. Many of these "swords" were lost or damaged during the Gothic War and the First Tyrannic War, requiring replacement or repair.

With Cadia's Fall and the Great Rift's opening, many Chapters had to continue wielding antlers in place of still absent swords.
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So.... Flight of Falcons........ is a satirical symbol of administrative nonsense with epic Norse mythological overtonesthumbsup.gif


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Spoiler

 

Sorry.

 

Anyway, my rant aside, this is the kind of thing that happens in modern military organisations. With an empire like the Imperium as fractured as it is, who knows what idiotic decisions could be made?

 

Isn't it canon that with some Imperial Navy ship types that their weapons literally can't fire at full strength due to the knowledge to keep the power systems fully functional or at top capacity has gone the way of the dodo?

 

I'd expect them to do something like what you see on Hapan ships from Star Wars. They don't have the same targeting systems or capacitors that are used in Empire Star Destroyers or their contemporaries, so what they do is have multiple weapons that fire and rotate out, relying on a space ship-laser revolver idea, and weight of fire.

 

I could see that happening. Rather than them simply making a good decision, they make a decision, and then sort out the practicality afterwards.


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Soooo..... I think we're getting a bit off track here.

 

Meanwhile, back at the 40K Ranch......

 

Subject: Heavy Cruiser for the Cobalt Crusaders

 

True enough, we are in a sci fi/fantasy setting.

 

I'm going to lean heavier on the sci fi and recommend going with a modified Imperial Navy heavy cruiser. It's big enough to support 100+ Space Marines, it's Thunderhawk squadron, as well as support gear and personnel...… and it won't break up on it's first powered maneuverthumbsup.gif woot.gif Maybe it's just me, but selling a tricked out Nova frigate to a Astartes chapter and calling it a heavy cruiser seems a tad unwiseermm.gif

 

On the other hand, leaning heavier on the fantasy side, the satirical symbol of administrative nonsense with epic Norse overtones heavy cruiser is doable I supposeunsure.png


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Soooo..... I think we're getting a bit off track here.

 

Meanwhile, back at the 40K Ranch......

 

 

I perhaps got a bit involved in my own spiraling rant there. I'll hide it.

 

 

I'm going to lean heavier on the sci fi and recommend going with a modified Imperial Navy heavy cruiser. It's big enough to support 100+ Space Marines, it's Thunderhawk squadron, as well as support gear and personnel...… and it won't break up on it's first powered maneuverthumbsup.gif woot.gif Maybe it's just me, but selling a tricked out Nova frigate to a Astartes chapter and calling it a heavy cruiser seems a tad unwiseermm.gif

 

 

I think it'd be amusing for the chapters first outing to be a lock-stock style pursuit of some half-wit who gave them such a mockery of a ship.

 

 

On a more serious note, the many and varied designs for Imperial ships that fall under the same class designation are varied enough for you to have some variation in all but weapon loadout. If a Strike Cruiser performs exactly as it needs to, but doesn't look the same as the standard, does that make a huge difference?


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Posted Yesterday, 05:10 PM

 

I perhaps got a bit involved in my own spiraling rant there. I'll hide it.

 

No worries Brother. It happens to all of us from time to time.

 

I think it'd be amusing for the chapters first outing to be a lock-stock style pursuit of some half-wit who gave them such a mockery of a ship.

 

I LIKE ITthumbsup.gif laugh.png

 

On a more serious note, the many and varied designs for Imperial ships that fall under the same class designation are varied enough for you to have some variation in all but weapon loadout. If a Strike Cruiser performs exactly as it needs to, but doesn't look the same as the standard, does that make a huge difference?

 

Not really, but it sort of depends on what you are going for. If you are playing somewhat straight and somewhat serious with the lore, you'll want a ship that can easily be modified to fit the Space Marine strike cruiser mission (transport and deliver a Space Marine company and all of it's toys). Just about any Imperial Navy cruiser could do the job, but not a modified Nova frigate. Ten Nova frigates could, but the Navy and the Inquisition wouldn't like that at all. Now if you are going for the comedy angle (and that's a legitimate way to go imo) a Nova frigate modified with lots of shipping containers bolted on, along with a big ol' cruiser engine attached would get my vote. But if you go that route you better be prepared to take your chapter all the way, ala the Angry Marines. This is where I suggest a name change from Flight of Falcons to..... the Busted Flushteehee.gif

 

It's really up to Brother Bruce.... it is his chapter after all. Over to you Brother Brucebiggrin.png


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Posted Yesterday, 05:10 PM



I perhaps got a bit involved in my own spiraling rant there. I'll hide it.



No worries Brother. It happens to all of us from time to time.

I think it'd be amusing for the chapters first outing to be a lock-stock style pursuit of some half-wit who gave them such a mockery of a ship.



I LIKE ITthumbsup.giflaugh.png

On a more serious note, the many and varied designs for Imperial ships that fall under the same class designation are varied enough for you to have some variation in all but weapon loadout. If a Strike Cruiser performs exactly as it needs to, but doesn't look the same as the standard, does that make a huge difference?



Not really, but it sort of depends on what you are going for. If you are playing somewhat straight and somewhat serious with the lore, you'll want a ship that can easily be modified to fit the Space Marine strike cruiser mission (transport and deliver a Space Marine company and all of it's toys). Just about any Imperial Navy cruiser could do the job, but not a modified Nova frigate. Ten Nova frigates could, but the Navy and the Inquisition wouldn't like that at all. Now if you are going for the comedy angle (and that's a legitimate way to go imo) a Nova frigate modified with lots of shipping containers bolted on, along with a big ol' cruiser engine attached would get my vote. But if you go that route you better be prepared to take your chapter all the way, ala the Angry Marines. This is where I suggest a name change from Flight of Falcons to..... the Busted Flushteehee.gif

It's really up to Brother Bruce.... it is his chapter after all. Over to you Brother Brucebiggrin.png
I believe the incredibly nodded Nova Frigate idea is perfect. The chapter lost its sword (actual navy) to the Rift and so the Cobalt Crusaders stab it with an antler.
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Posted Yesterday, 11:53 PM

 

I believe the incredibly nodded Nova Frigate idea is perfect. The chapter lost its sword (actual navy) to the Rift and so the Cobalt Crusaders stab it with an antler.

 

Staby antlers it is then.....thumbsup.gif


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Besides the IA format, is there anything lacking here? Any story that I should expand specifically or some rank I should clear up?

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Besides the IA format, is there anything lacking here? Any story that I should expand specifically or some rank I should clear up?

 

Once you start dividing what you have into IA format, there will necissarily be some expansion on different areas. It's at this point that you're likely to run into issues, whether they're from expanding a section and unwittingly causing a problem (90% of people including myself do this), or you suddenly realize you need to create something you didn't even think of, which has been in some way limited or restricted by what you've written already. You may then loop around to the first problem again.

 

Best thing is to get it into proper format so you can see what you need to develop and what conflicts with itself.


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"...I have seen the birth of this world and I have seen its death. I walked with the first men and I shared a beer with the last. For me everyone is both old and young at the same time as a million lifetimes pass before my eyes and humanity is like the grains of sand in the desert, each breath to me a sigh in the vast never-ending vacumn of space."
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[center][size=4][b][color=orange]Index Astartes[/color][/b][/size]
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[size=5][b]The Cobalt Crusaders Space Marines Chapter[/b][/size][/center]
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[/img][/imageright][size=3][b]Origins[/b][/size]
In M38, the first chosen mission was to help push against a rebellion in the Eastern Fringes. Upon arriving to the Esquell Sector, the chapter immeaditly noticed that a good portion of it was shrouded in a nebula named the Halberd Nebula. The nebula proved difficult to perform recon in, and so the rebel forces destroyed a good portion of their navy before they even made it to the first world. Realizing that this mission was going to be taxing upon their resources, Chapter Master Thraxx Valoulon decided it was best to claim the nearest Forge World before continuing on. After winning Forge World Minosquire from the Nebula-wide rebellion, the Cobalt Crusaders began a war of attrition against the rebels.

 

As the end of the rebellion seemed upon the citizens of the Halberd Nebula in 999.M41 after nearly two thousand years of campaigning, the Great Rift opened, and the entire Nebula went dark. The fleet was scattered, and Aganoth was quiet. Eventually, each ship started to find one another, and half of the chapter was reunited with itself. They began retaking a handful of worlds not from the rebels, who also saw a minor boost, but daemon invaders from the Rift.

After reclaiming Forge World Minosquire from reinvigorated but desperate rebel forces, the Cobalt Crusaders were met by the Indominus Crusade, and given Primaris reinforcements and the technology to create new primaris space marines.

Finally, after almost one hundred years, Aganoth was rediscovered. The chapter master was found dead, the Fortress Monastary was mere rubble, and the Gene-seed stock was missing or corrupted. Completely reliant on the few gene-seed stocks stored on their heavy cruiser, the Flight of Eagles, and the primaris stock, the chapter's future looked bleak, but yet slightly hopeful. Their war with a renewed rebellion seems inevitable, their progress reverted by a thousand years, the daemon invaders will not yield, and the Tau Empire have been found scouting the outskirts of the nebula, but with the powerful new technologies of Cawl and the Indominus Crusade itself, the Cobalt Crusaders will hold the line.

[size=3][b]/Homeworld[/b][/size]
Before the Great Rift, they had set the liberated Aganoth as their homeworld, constructing the Fortress Monastery 'Hero's Home' in the wake of the liberation. Such is the values instilled upon the world's people by the Cobalt Crusaders that they were patient, ready, and always desiring work. Fine Astartes were born of this lifestyle and this world, their Aganothian upbringing a test of soul and personality in the eyes of the Cobalt Crusaders.

 

After the Great Rift widened, Aganoth was completely overrun, the system itself consumed by a Warp Storm. The ships outside of the system were all heading home after long, straining crusades, but still half the Chapter Fleet and a little less than 500 Astartes were lost on Aganoth. After rediscovering it nearly a hundred years after the opening, the once lush feudal world was but ash, broken structures, and dead marines, the planet's final defenders. Aganoth has since been abandoned in favor of staying mobile, recruiting from various worlds aboard their relatively small chapter fleet.

[size=3][b]Combat Doctrine[/b][/size]
Combat for the Cobalt Crusaders varies on the Captain or Lieutenant in command, but usually its the traditional strategies of heavy, attrition-based assaults. They know plenty of foes will break and tire long before they do, and so they use this to their advantage. Their battles long, but well-fought, the enemy will have a difficult time recuperating after the methodical and sure strikes the Cobalt Crusaders perform regularly. Such methods ensure they did not miss a target or vital enemy munitions compound.

[size=3][b]Organization/Organisation[/b][/size]
The Cobalt Crusaders, pre-Rift, were a largely Codex Compliant chapter, little diverging off the wisdom of the Codex laid out for them, only adding from their own experiences to refine its teachings to suit their methodical warfare. However, when the Chapter shattered like the Imperium itself by the Rift, there was only around 350 Marines rediscovered over the course of the four-year-long Era of Reforging for the Chapter. After becoming a stable entity again, they created 4 Great Companies based around the original 350 marines left. After being given plenty of Primaris reinforcements and rebuilding their Chapter's numbers with both the new Primaris and old standard ways, each Great Company is allowed a maximum of 300 Astartes at a time, but is broken down more traditionally from there. There is, however, one Great Captain and two Captains and six Lieutenants per Great Company. The normal Captains either serve as a form of Mournival for the Great Captain, or as champions of the Chapter once they make landfall.

[size=3][b]Beliefs[/b][/size]
The Chapter is not a pious one, but rather they lean more heavily towards the old ways of the Truth more than anything. They see the Chaos Gods not as gods, but rather substantially powerful daemons which all daemons hail from. They have similar views for the Eldar Pantheon, and the Emperor...minus the daemon part, of course.

[size=3][b]Gene-seed/Geneseed[/b][/size]
The Chapter's genestock is fairly stable, but when it is not, it is very apparent. The most common mutation, which is really only a 3% rate of occurrence, is some sort of unbridled fury. The mutated marine will start leaking blood from his mouth and charge the enemy, screaming litanies to the Emperor, forgetting entirely their way of life and becoming consumed in faithful fury. Chaplain Hestiden of the 3rd Great Company has theorized that this mutation is a sign that the Emperor truly is something beyond a simple Warp Being in the form of a human; however, he was nearly exiled from the Chapter for this belief and he has kept to himself since...or so the Chapter-Master believes.

[size=3][b]Battle-cry/Battlecry/Chapter Motto[/b][/size]
Pre-Aganoth: We are the sword of our Primarch, for we shall know no fear!
Post-Aganoth: For Aganoth! For Imperium! For the Emperor!

Even after Aganoth's fall, its legacy is not forgotten by the Chapter and is constantly referenced, still even within the Chapter's motto.



[size=4][b]USING A Cobalt Crusaders ARMY IN WARHAMMER 40,000[/b][/size]

Chapter Tactic: Masters of Attrition

When advancing, half the result. However, after advancing, you may still fire if the enemy is within half-range. Bolter Discipline and the normal Rapid Fire rules do not apply here.

 

Datasheet: Chaplain Hestiden

M: 6

WS: +2

BS: +3

S: 4

T: 4

W: 6

A: 6

Ld: 9

Sv: +4

Weapons:

'Chalice of Hatred' Crozius Arcanun  Melee  S:+3  AP:0  2 Damage

'Judgement of the Emperor' Custom Heavy Bolt Pistol  Range: 20  Type: Pistol 2  S: 7  AP: -1  3 Damage

Thraxx's Power Sword  Melee  S: User  AP: -4  1 Damage

 

Abilities:

Angels of Death

Cracked Rosarius: 6+ Invul. Save

Spiritual Leaders

 

Priest:

Can choose one litany alongside the Litany of Possible Truth.

 

Litany of Possible Truth: If this litany is inspiring, roll a D6. 1-3: The units inspired gain +1 attack and -1 strength. 4-6: They gain a 5+ Invul. Save.

Faction Keywords: Imperium, Adeptus Astartes, Cobalt Crusaders

Keywords: Infantry, Character, Priest, Chaplain


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