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Destroyer Squads - which Legions used them?


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The Destroyer Squad unit entry on FW's website indicates that some Legions didn't use or reluctantly/minimally used them:

 

http://www.forgeworl...estroyer_Squada

 

Is there a list anywhere of which legions used/didn't use them?



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Moved the topic from the Black Library to the Age of Darkness.

 

This place would be the most accurate location to get the topic discussed


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The Ultras might generally be wary of Destroyers but then, then went ahead and amalgamated all of theirs into a single Chapter (4th Chapter iirc) so you're actually in the clear for using Ultra Destroyers.

 

Salamanders have a rule that explicitly prohibits their primary detachment from having a Moritat/Destroyer Squad meaning that, in general, they can't use them. Allied detachments though...

 

All of this said, besides the specific Salamanders example, every other legion employed them in some manner; some more than others ie: Death Guard.


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The Ultras might generally be wary of Destroyers but then, then went ahead and amalgamated all of theirs into a single Chapter (4th Chapter iirc) so you're actually in the clear for using Ultra Destroyers.

22nd chapter, but other chapters in the Ultramarines had them as well, just significantly fewer.

And yes, other than the Salamanders, who had their Pyroclasts, every legion had and used Destroyers.

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Dark Angels used them, Dreadwing ftw.

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Don't we have this question every month? 

 

The majority would, one or two would not. Salamanders definitely would not. 



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Don't we have this question every month?

The majority would, one or two would not. Salamanders definitely would not.


If it appears every month then answering it should be easy.
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Don't we have this question every month?

The majority would, one or two would not. Salamanders definitely would not.


If it appears every month then answering it should be easy.

 

Not as easy as that search function this site has.


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Don't we have this question every month? The majority would, one or two would not. Salamanders definitely would not.


If it appears every month then answering it should be easy.
Not as easy as that search function this site has.

I just tried to search and only found this. If it has been asked before it’s not as easy to find as you seem to think.

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Salamanders used Pyroclasts in place of Destroyers, rationale being that their weapons at least didn't taint a world for decades or more.

World Eaters used quite a lot.

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Iron Warriors used them, because... why not? ;)
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Salamanders did actually have a cadre of Destroyers, but they were only ever used for Xenocide operations. Considering this, you've got justification for every Legion to use them in some capacity.

 

How they were considered within each Legion will have varied however, with some being outright shunned and other seen as no different from any other specialisation.



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Don't we have this question every month? The majority would, one or two would not. Salamanders definitely would not.


If it appears every month then answering it should be easy.
Not as easy as that search function this site has.

I just tried to search and only found this. If it has been asked before it’s not as easy to find as you seem to think.

 

Really? within 10 minutes:

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268745-legions-without-destroyer-marines/

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274443-destroyer-legions/

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299392-destroyers-and-the-xiii-legion/

 

And that alone is without going through any of the Tactic threads. 



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I searched before asking and didn't find any threads - sorry.



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I searched before asking and didn't find any threads - sorry.

Its all good, I was making an observation rather than grilling you personally if it came off like that. 



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Thanks - I figured I couldn't be the first but my search-fu kept turning up blanks.


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from what I know, Death Guard used them far more than any other legion, but the iron warriors used them for linebreaking, Night lords and word bearers used them as terror troops, world eaters used them for hurting things, alpha legion, ultramarines, raven guard, dark angels and Sons of horus used them because they were undeniably effective tools of war, and blood angels / salamanders / imperial fists made sparing or reluctant use of them.  

 

Never heard of Space wolves, emperors children or thousand sons using them but i suppose that it is possible


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I plan to run my Space Wolves with Destroyers as part of the cult of Morkai. I reckon they will synergise well with Deathsworn to knock toughness down with their grenades and make slicin & dicin a lot easier. :D


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from what I know, Death Guard used them far more than any other legion, but the iron warriors used them for linebreaking, Night lords and word bearers used them as terror troops, world eaters used them for hurting things, alpha legion, ultramarines, raven guard, dark angels and Sons of horus used them because they were undeniably effective tools of war, and blood angels / salamanders / imperial fists made sparing or reluctant use of them.  

 

Never heard of Space wolves, emperors children or thousand sons using them but i suppose that it is possible

 

Regarding the Imperial Fists, is it explicitly stated in any source? Just curious, haven't seen it anywhere but I'll admit I'm not quite up to date in neither BL nor FW books.


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Never heard of Space wolves

As of Inferno, they were basically combined with the Deathsworn (SW unique unit, something akin to Destroyers crossed with Dwarf Slayers, plus a bit of proto-Wulfen) into the 'Black Cull'. Most of whom were found in the 7th Great Company iirc.



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Regarding the Imperial Fists, is it explicitly stated in any source? Just curious, haven't seen it anywhere but I'll admit I'm not quite up to date in neither BL nor FW books.

 

FW book 3 shows a destroyer's shoulder pauldron in its color plate about legion markings.  Same thing for the Iron Warriors and Raven Guard in the same book.


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I feel unlike chapters, a particular piece of hardware or a particular tactic within a legion should always be assumed to be present unless explicitly stated otherwise.  To me, that was always the intent behind giving the legions such breadth and flexibility, even if a particular legion was known for one tactic or another.



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There are definitely Emperor's Children Destroyers. 

 

From Betrayal:

Notably all of the variations in squad type and equipment found in other Legions were present within the Emperor's Children, as they believed there was no sphere of warfare they could not or should not excel in. Betrayal, p. 107.

 

There is also this piece of Forge-World art: 

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It depicts an Ultramarine Destroyer, but the last sentence of the text mentions that the Destroyers of the Emperor's Children and Raven Guard exhibited similar marking idiosyncrasies.

 

 

So the Emperor's Children definitely had Legion Destroyer squads, but I can't imagine that they were a widely used unit type. I suspect that the Legion's Apothecarion would have been pretty concerned about the degrading effects of the Destroyers proscribed weapons on the warrior's gene-seed. To the Emperor's Children gene-seed purity was of upmost importance (at least before the fall), due to the near extinction of the Legion as a result of the gene-seed crisis (only 200 marines remained when Fulgrim was discovered).


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Regarding the Imperial Fists, is it explicitly stated in any source? Just curious, haven't seen it anywhere but I'll admit I'm not quite up to date in neither BL nor FW books.

 

FW book 3 shows a destroyer's shoulder pauldron in its color plate about legion markings.  Same thing for the Iron Warriors and Raven Guard in the same book.

 

Sorry, I was not clear about my question, I was referring to the sparse use of destroyers, not the existance of them within the VII, since the page you mention actually made me think they were used just as in other legions.

I can see them not exactly fitting with the Imperial Fists preferred warfare methods, and I guess scorched earth tactics are not the best idea when you want to stablish a fortification after the conquest and repopulate the planet. But I was curious to see if there is any official source where it is confirmed the Fists did not use destroyer cadres in a regular manner.


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